Weekly Poll #135
Hope everybody's having a great weekend! Back in December and January, I did a number of different polls asking what people's favorite season finales and premieres were. Since we just did a "winner's circle" poll with the sports polls and the villains-by-season polls, I thought it might be fun to go back and do a poll like that with the season premiere and finale polls as well. These options are the winners from the season 1 finale, season 2 finale and season 3 finale polls.
We've been doing these villains-by-season polls since January 30, 2022, and after an exciting five months of doing these polls, here's what you all chose for the best season for villains in the entire Scooby-Doo franchise! Starting from last place, What's New, Scooby-Doo? season 1, The Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show and A Pup Named Scooby-Doo season 1 all got one vote each. The New Scooby-Doo Movies season 1 and What's New, Scooby-Doo? season 2 both tied for sixth place, with two votes each. The season I voted for based on the calculated averages, Be Cool Scooby-Doo season 2, got fifth place with six votes. In fourth place, we had The Scooby-Doo Show season 1 with 11 votes. Guess Who season 2 got third with 12 votes. Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated season 1 was up near the top in second place with 18 votes. Finally, our winner for this poll series was none other than the classic Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? season 1 with 28 votes! I hope you enjoyed this poll series, and I'm really looking forward to seeing the results of this poll!
6/26/2022 08:43:23 am
I like this poll. Also what is your favorite and least favorite episode of Be Cool, Scooby-Doo? My favorite episode is Pizza O’Possum’s and my least favorite episode is Eating Crow. A lot of people don’t like Pizza O’Possum’s and I understand why they don’t but I just really like it. There are a lot of episodes that are really good from Be Cool, Scooby-Doo but that one just always stuck with me.
6/26/2022 09:35:51 pm
So interesting your favorite episode is "Pizza O'Possum's"! That was the one episode the show's writer, JCB, didn't have a hand in writing. My favorite episode is "Doo Not Disturb." I love how dark and creepy the episode feels, and the villain is amazing! My least favorite episode is "Pizza O'Possum's" or "Poodle Justice." "Poodle Justice" felt like the jokes were intended for a much younger audience, and "Pizza O'Possum's" felt really rushed to me given they only had 11 minutes to do the episode. I do really like the villain, though.
6/26/2022 09:14:14 am
6/26/2022 09:36:17 pm
I was close to picking that one, but ultimately I went with "All Fear the Freak."
6/26/2022 10:56:59 am
Oh geez, while none of these are at the level of something like The Loch Ness Mess or Creepy Cruise, the ranking comes pretty easily here
6/26/2022 09:43:08 pm
I completely agree with every single thing you said in these rankings.
6/26/2022 11:57:14 am
All of the above
6/26/2022 01:18:07 pm
This one is easy for me. The Beast is Awake in Bottomless Lake. One of the 5 best episodes from 1972-1979!
6/26/2022 09:36:57 pm
I enjoy that episode too, although IMO it felt like too much of it was chase scenes with Shaggy, Scooby and the Beast.
6/26/2022 11:00:39 pm
That was the reason I liked it so much.it seemed like there was even more than normal.
6/27/2022 05:15:16 am
I agree with Jacob's perspective. Season 3 seems to get more flak for having more Shag & Scoob hijinks than the others, but I don't see why that would be an inherent problem. As long as those chase scenes are done right, ie: entertaining, funny, memorable, I don't think there's an issue with them. And season 3 does almost all of those hijinks really well imo, so they end up not being a problem at all for me.
6/27/2022 08:25:26 am
While the Shaggy and Scooby humor and chase scenes are always fun, they felt like they happened a bit too much in The Scooby-Doo Show season 3 in my opinion. I don't mind them happening once in a while, but it felt like there was less focus on the mystery because of it. It's all of the show's elements that makes it work in my opinion, not just an overemphasis on one aspect. Just my opinion though. Maybe Matt can jump in and share his perspective as well, since it seems like the two of us had very similar thoughts on this.
6/27/2022 10:15:58 am
The only problem I sometimes have with Shaggy and Scooby hijinks are the occasions where they dress up more than twice in an episode to fool a villain.
6/27/2022 10:52:40 am
To me, it is a big problem in season 3. The problem doesn’t inherently lie in Scooby and Shaggy hijinks, the problem lies when a few things happen with those shenanigans, all of which are common issues this season
6/27/2022 11:51:01 am
Those are all fair criticisms, Wildwind and Matt, I get where you're coming from. It's just that I didn't feel those things personally with a lot of season 3. I guess I just don't really see them that way. They're valid points though.
6/27/2022 01:20:01 pm
@Matt I absolutely agree with everything you said here. I have no issue with Shaggy and Scooby shenanigans typically, it's just when they become such a central part of the episode that it detracts from the mystery is when I have an issue with it.
6/27/2022 06:42:05 pm
The only time that I felt the chase scenes took away from any potential in season 3 of the Scooby Doo Show was in Diabolical Disc Demon. But , at the same time, those chases and the comedy were so good that I said pooh to potential.
6/27/2022 06:46:58 pm
Oddly enough, Diabolical Disc Demon isn’t one with the problem as bad as something like Beast is Awake in Bottomless Lake or Creepy Case of Old Iron Face in my personal opinion
6/27/2022 09:57:58 pm
I totally agree that "The Diabolical Disc Demon" wasn't as bad for the Shaggy/Scooby antics as "The Beast Is Awake in Bottomless Lake" or "The Creepy Case of Old Iron Face" was. There was definitely a lot of Shaggy/Scooby antics, but it didn't feel like it detracted from the mystery. I've actually always found the little Popsipep detour to be kind of fun.
6/29/2022 01:10:36 am
I guess I'm just a sucker for chase scenes. I've always loved their hijinks in stuff like Tar Monster, Old Iron Face, Bermuda Triangle, Bottomless Lake, Disc Demon etc, because I felt they were done really well and hilarious that I really didn't mind the possible detractions. Shaggy and Scooby's humor and shenanigans were one of the things that drew me into the framchise as a kid.
6/29/2022 11:49:50 am
That's fair! I guess I just liked the mystery aspect better as a kid, so maybe it comes down to that? I definitely like Shaggy and Scooby's antics as well, just as long as it doesn't detract from any other element.
6/29/2022 09:48:43 pm
I’ll give it this: I still enjoy most of these episodes which have said problem. There are two big exceptions and one half exception. Beast is Awake in Bottomless Lake is a half exception because while it isn’t *bad* per se, it irritates me to no end how much they squandered this episode in my opinion
6/29/2022 10:41:27 pm
I haven't ever been bothered by "Watch Out! The Williwaw!" for some reason, maybe just because the mystery still felt like it had some substances outside of the antics. I definitely agree on "A Creepy Tangle in the Bermuda Triangle" and especially "The Beast Is Awake on Bottomless Lake." I hadn't ever thought about it like that before you made the comment the other day, but you're so right that it had the potential to be as dark as a season 2 episode if they would have not spent so much of it on Shaggy/Scooby antics. Don't get me wrong, it's still dark and a decent episode, but there was a lot of potential wasted IMO.
6/30/2022 06:07:27 am
Aw, Shucks, the two big exceptions and one half exception are 3 of my top 5 favorite episodes between 1972-1979. It seems like our opinions are exact opposites. Interesting to see a drastically different viewpoint.
6/30/2022 06:15:00 am
Watch Out! The Willawaw! is my favorite Scooby Doo episode from 1972-1979. I personally feel that the comedic bits in that episode are some of the best that have ever been put in a cartoon.
6/30/2022 10:22:17 am
To be fair, the scenes with Shaggy and Scooby both on the boat alone with the Willawaw around and when they find and dress up in the owl costumes are pretty hilarious.
6/30/2022 10:31:13 am
I have to admit that scene in "Watch Out, the Williwaw!" is pretty funny haha. The episodes I personally feel are too antics heavy are "A Creepy Tangle in the Bermuda Triangle," "The Tar Monster," "The Creepy Case of Old Iron Face," "Jeepers It's the Jaguaro," "The Diabolical Disc Demon" (but to a lesser extent), "The Warlock of Wimbledon" (the second half only) and "The Beast Is Awake in Bottomless Lake."
6/30/2022 01:43:35 pm
I have to say though that as a kid the comedy aspect was no doubt my favorite. Since then I've appreciated the mystery aspect a lot too. But if I had to choose one, I'd say the comedy aspect is my favorite one, not by much though.
6/30/2022 01:50:12 pm
Honestly, that could be an interesting poll to do someday!
6/30/2022 02:01:30 pm
@Wildwind, all the episodes you listed are ones that I quite enjoy, except for Jaguaro, that one really sucks. Even as someone who loves the comedy side of things the most, I can barely bring myself to watch Jaguaro. It's just absolute garbage, even the comedy sucks for some reason.
6/30/2022 03:50:11 pm
I wouldn't really say I dislike any of the episodes I listed other than "Jeepers, It's the Jaguaro," which I agree is just all-around terrible. The others have always just been more 'meh' to me, I don't actively dislike them but they're not ones I would want to watch often either. I do have sort of a soft spot for "The Diabolical Disc Demon" because of the villain, and the comedy doesn't detract from the mystery quite as much, but the mystery is still a little lacking.
6/30/2022 05:15:03 pm
Nice ranking, understandable why you'd put them in their respective placements. For me:
6/30/2022 06:31:48 pm
Great rankings! I can definitely see how the use of comedy in an episode plays into whether it's a favorite or not, since all of your top tier were one of those episodes that were more shenanigan-heavy. "SH*T Tier" lol. Interesting to see we both have Snow Beast Fright near the bottom.
6/30/2022 08:42:11 pm
My Episode Ranking for Season 3
6/30/2022 09:28:57 pm
I’ll go ahead and share mine I guess
6/30/2022 09:32:46 pm
Also, Make a Beeline/Who’s That Cat Creature also frustrated me to no end because I thought the plot idea and setup was nothing short of exceptional, yet the episode itself fell a little flat in comparison to my thoughts on the idea and setup, but it is still too good as is to put down in the frustrating tier
6/30/2022 11:25:20 pm
Great rankings, Matt and Jacob!
7/1/2022 03:59:55 am
@Matt, I see Willawaw is no longer at the bottom, I remember you had said before that's the worst classic episode ('69-'79, Ransom of Scooby Chief excluded cuz that's '80, lol loophole). I definintely see why Jaguaro is below it now though, that would be my pick for worst classic episode. Also, agreed on the fact Make a Beeline could've been better based on the premise, but it still just cracks great tier the way it ended up being.
7/1/2022 04:09:03 am
Despite how much I love season 3, I'm still gonna say that seasons 1 and 2 are a bit better. I remember I voted for season 1 on that poll, by a sliver to season 2, and I still stand by it.
7/1/2022 07:36:02 am
@Wildwind- Honestly, I still haven’t figured out why it feels underwhelming to me in comparison to my expectations. I always just feel like the idea is genius, but by the time I end up finishing the episode, I just feel like “that was decent”. I guess one explanation I could point to is the running around the graveyard as an example, maybe? I just feel like the stakes should’ve been higher maybe and maybe more like a season 2 episode in plot structure. That is the best explanation I can come up with regarding what may make me feel that it was just okay, which frustrates me that is how I feel about the episode
7/1/2022 08:21:51 am
I agree that season 3 doesn't quite have a MASTERPIECE in it, like seasons 1 and 2. Ghost of the Bad Humor Man and Spooky Case of the Grand Prix Race are no doubt top 5 of all time imo.
7/1/2022 02:58:09 pm
I’ll do it as well for the heck of it
7/1/2022 03:11:59 pm
Lots to respond to here haha! I'll respond in order.
7/1/2022 04:03:30 pm
Hang In There Scooby Doo is a unique case for me because I would say it is the only episode that feels in between two of the season’s vibes, even where To Switch a Witch feels like a season 1 episode despite not being in that season, Hang In There Scooby Doo feels like in between a season 1 and season 2 episode, which I actually think is quite an excellent vibe itself
7/1/2022 06:50:47 pm
That's true, it didn't feel quite as dark as the rest of season 2, except maybe with the cave scenes. That in-between vibe is definitely cool!
7/2/2022 04:19:55 am
@Matt, I would say season 1 of TSDS is the best season of the whole Scooby-Doo franchise. It's just got everything you could possibly ask for, so much absolutely incredible top tier stuff in there for me that I don't care there are a couple of average episodes in there. Season 2 of TSDS competes with season 1 of SDWAY for second best Scooby-Doo season. I might be on an island with this, but I think the season 1 vibe is the best one, even though I do really love the seasons 2 and 3 vibes too. I love that nice in-between vibe, it kinda allows for more varied stylistic choices in a way as well. For example, No Faced Zombie Chase Case and Headless Horseman of Halloween both have the season 1 vibe while also feeling a bit different at the same time.
7/2/2022 11:59:52 am
Yeah, I totally agree with you about Snow Beast Fright. The Scooby and Scooby-Dum falling in love with Scooby-Dee is just weird...like who thought this would be a good idea?!? I mainly try to ignore that part of it since I do feel like it's an amazing episode otherwise, but I absolutely get what you're saying. It's never really bothered me, but I do agree they kinda rushed the part with the amusement park. The film strip wasn't really creepy to me either I guess, it just was kinda there. I liked the cemetery scenes though, and ultimately I can look past the episode's flaws because I feel it has a lot of other amazing things going for it, whereas Warlock of Wimbledon just turned to random unconnected chaos in the second half.
7/2/2022 01:23:20 pm
The 3 Scooby cousins subplot in Chiller Diller is one of my least favorite things in the whole TSDS (besides the entire Jaguaro episode). You're right, who the heck thought it was even remotely a good idea? And they really tried to hammer it home for some reason, there's so many scenes and moments of that crap. I can't look past it personally, it sours a really good episode. Whenever I think of Chiller Diller and the stuff I like about it, a couple seconds later I remember the... Doo-Dum-Dee triangle "subplot". Yuck. If you can even call it that. I pondered whether to even put it as high as Good Tier it bothers me that much, it's a low Good Tier in the end.
7/2/2022 02:54:42 pm
Yeah, that subplot is really what keeps Chiller Diller from being an all time top ten contender for me. But the rest of the episode is phenomenal in my opinion.
7/2/2022 02:56:56 pm
@Becker, I get what you are saying, and I would put Scared a Lot in Camelot ahead of just about all of season 3 (probably on the same level as my top 2 there), but I can't say I agree with Harum Scarum being better than most of season 2 personally. I'd easily put Vampire Bats, Grand Prix Race, and Creepy Cruise ahead of it, and Chiller Diller is on about the same level for me, with Viking Lake and Creepy Heap being a hair below Harum Scarum, and Hang In There feeling different from that vibe in general
7/2/2022 05:32:20 pm
I have to wonder what in the world was going on in the writer's room that day lol. How in the heck did this subplot get approved? lol It's definitely super gross and I wish it wasn't in the episode. I agree that the film strip scene would have been a lot creepier if there was a sense that the ghost was maybe lingering around somewhere, but it didn't bother me overly much.
7/3/2022 05:49:18 am
@Matt, personally, Grand Prix Race is the only season 2 episode I would put ahead of Harum Scarum. Tbf, Vampire Bats and even Hang In There are VERY close to it, but I'd still give the edge to Harum Scarum. Its spookiness is unmatched in this era.
7/3/2022 09:46:32 am
I would personally put "Vampire Bats and Scaredy Cats," "The Creepy Heap from the Deep" and "Chiller Diller Movie Thriller" ahead of "The Harum Scarum Sanitarium," with "The Spooky Case of the Grand Prix Race" directly following it. "Scared a Lot in Camelot" would be next."
6/27/2022 01:02:15 am
Come Undone for me. The others are good too, though none of these are absolute favorites.
6/27/2022 09:01:34 am
Agreed, it was a tough choice between "Come Undone" and "All Fear the Freak" for me, but ultimately the latter slightly edged it out for me since it didn't have that same rushed feeling "Come Undone" did in my opinion.
6/27/2022 09:08:43 am
6/27/2022 09:25:18 am
My answer is in my name, again. All fear the Freak is probably my fav but none stand out for me. Although I enjoyed it on my second run, I initially hated Come Undone and am still on the fence with how they handled the end to Mystery Incorporated, as for Beast of Bottomless Lake, I felt it's a very creepy episode but nowhere near the best plot wise.
6/27/2022 09:43:23 am
Haha. I liked "Come Undone," I just felt like it could have been better done so it didn't come off rushed. For them to start the episode in the caves and wrap it up within the first 15 or so minutes felt like they didn't spend enough time developing the climax. It sort of just had an "oh, it's over" feeling rather than a "woah, I can't believe it's over!" feeling, at least to me, if that makes sense.
6/28/2022 10:06:47 am
What pissed me off was the fact that the ending was "Let's reset the total timeline making the past 51 episodes now totally redundant and pointless."
6/28/2022 01:08:27 pm
That's fair, it didn't really bother me I guess but I can see why you'd feel it was a cop-out. The issue I had with it is that they didn't really explore the Heart of the Jaguar very much. They just said it was their friendship, which while cute, isn't really well-developed, it just sort of happens where they all realize it at once and then everything resets. That felt sort of rushed, especially when they'd spent the previous 51 episodes building this up so much.
6/30/2022 11:01:55 am
7/2/2022 09:51:26 pm
All Fear the Freak. Because of the overarching plot, this episode of course made you ready to see the next one. I didn’t have cable when Mystery Incorporated aired on Cartoon Network, I actually binge watched the show on Netflix. But I saw that everyone had to wait a WHOLE YEAR for Season 2. Then the Season 2 finale aired the next year! They really put Mystery Incorporated through some hiatuses.
7/2/2022 10:51:38 pm
I watched it on cable week by week and it was painful waiting that long lol. Granted, Cartoon Network screwed up at one point and accidentally put the season 2 premiere on their website a couple months early, so thankfully it wasn't a full year. The hiatuses in general for all the series lately (SDMI, BCSD and Guess Who) have just been ridiculous, but SDMI got the worst of it with that year-long hiatus. It seemed like the promotion of the show got worse and worse after every hiatus too, which was really unfortunate.
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