Weekly Poll #122 (Redo)

3/29/2022

So this Sunday's poll didn't turn out to be particularly exciting, as everyone seemed to vote for one particular option with the exception of a few people. One of the comments in that particular thread sums it up quite well haha.

Given this, I thought it might be more fun and allow for a bit more variety in answers to simply redo the poll with all the Scooby and Scrappy shows. The results for this poll will still be posted on Sunday. For those who are curious about the final results of the other one, here they are:
Which season of The Richie Rich / Scooby-Doo Hour collectively had the best villains?
Neither - 28
Season 2 - 7
Season 1 - 9

54 Comments

Matt

3/29/2022 09:27:52 am

It is a close race here between the first season, TNSDMy, and 13 Ghosts. I’m almost inclined to vote 13 Ghosts (Almost!) but I think I will go with the first season

Matt

3/29/2022 09:28:22 am

To clarify, I mean the 1979 version when I say first season

Becker

3/29/2022 02:23:46 pm

I didn't really consider 13 Ghosts too much, because there were a few lackluster/strange/bland designs and ideas for monsters, like Zimbulu, Demondo, Phantazmo. And the fact 2 of the ghosts (Nekara and Captain Ferguson) were mostly presented in human form doesn't seem like a great decision (imo) for a show about some of the most dangerous, horrifying and gruesome monsters in the world.

But I ended up voting the same as you, as I elaborated in my comment.

Matt

3/29/2022 02:42:01 pm

That is probably why I went away from it, but there are a few that I thing are really cool in 13 Ghosts though. Zomba is one of my favorites

WildwindVampire link

3/29/2022 07:01:45 pm

I had to think about it a bit, but I agree with what everyone's saying about how unique the 1979 show's villains were! The Snake Demon, Dragon Beast, Blue Scarab, Shadow Creature, Neon Phantom, Star Creature, the Alien...all of them had such cool designs.

I thought about 13 Ghosts a bit, but with that series, for as many good villains as there were, there were just as many not great ones. I didn't mind Phantasmo because he became grotesque at the end, but I agree with all the other ones you listed, Becker. They should have had better designs if they were truly 13 of the most terrifying ghosts in the entire world. I liked Maldor, the Mirror Demon, Zomba, the Cyclone Demon (even though that multiple ghosts together and not just one), and Nicara had really cool designs. Rankor and Marcella were semi-decent. The Shadow Demon was amazing as well and should have had his own episode. The fact they made him just a guy's shadow is the biggest waste of an amazing villain they've ever had. I say "amazing" villain because Rankor going in the chest willingly still bothers me lol. It's just such a dumb ending.

John Locke

3/29/2022 12:58:40 pm

Yea, I tried to give it serious thought, but also without examples of monsters for both seasons I kinda just went "nope" and voted neither, sorry if that made me part of the problem

WildwindVampire link

3/29/2022 07:33:41 pm

No need to apologize! I wasn't bothered by people answering "neither," I just thought it might make for more interesting results rather than everyone feeling like they had no good option to vote for.

Becker

3/29/2022 02:03:40 pm

Nice, something to actually choose from here! Sorry Scrappy shorts.

I originally thought I would go with NSDMy, but then I remembered some of the very silly villains in the 11 minute episodes, like the giant mouse, the bees, the evil elf lol, and all the spy stuff. But otherwise it's got some very good monsters, even though I would say they lean a little bit too much on "ghosts of _" for my preference. That's not to say I don't like the majority of the ghosts, I do like them, especially all the ones in the 22 minute episodes + the Hamlet one. They're executed and chosen great, It's just that I would like a bit more diversity. However, the Universal Monsters (and their parodies like Franklin Stein, Norma Deathman etc) are awesome in this season! Red Skull and Cyclops deserve a mention too. And Monster Mutt is ironically enjoyable lol.

But ultimately after going back through the catalog of villains, I'd give the slight edge to Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo (1979-1980). There are some really cool, unique, out-there monsters in this show, like Star Creature, Neon Phantom, Blue Scarab, Dragon Beast. I really appreciate that type of creativity, and these kinds of ideas can make for some of my favorite villains in the franchise, like Captain Cutler, Space Kook, Tar Monster, 10000 Volt Ghost. There's also some very good classic Scooby feeling monsters, like Night Ghoul, Shadow Creature, Lady Vampire, Strange Encounters Alien. There are some bland, meh ones however, like Jeremiah Pratt, Sky Skeleton, Minotaur (the latter being kind of a Jaguaro case, cuz the design is good but the portrayal is off-putting). I'm not huge on Sea Beast, Snake Demon, Great Haldane, but I still think they are good villains, it's just that they don't leave that much of an impression on me. And I've already mentioned before that I love the Devil Bear lmao, I don't know why, I just have a soft spot for him. I even voted for the bear as my favorite villain of this series on another poll and I stick by it lol. And how could we forget about Carl and Tony... as much as we probably want to – not a shining moment of the show, to say the least.

Matt

3/29/2022 06:41:33 pm

Carl and Tony ARE easily the worst here lol. I’m personally a big fan of the Snake Demon even if it seems a bit ridiculous

WildwindVampire link

3/29/2022 07:12:05 pm

I had the same feelings about The New Scooby-Doo Mysteries. They kinda fell in the "ghost of ___" trope a bit too much. The Universal Monsters, Norma Deathman and Hamlet's ghost are among my favorites of not only this season, but of the Scrappy episodes in general. I have a soft spot for Franklin Stein too haha. Red Skull is neat. Cyclops is...okay. I liked his design, but I didn't really feel his presence in the episode was great. It could have been better.

I have a soft spot the Devil Bear as well, though it's probably because it was the only Scrappy episode from the first series I had on an official VHS tape as a kid haha (on the Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo Volume 1 VHS). The Sea Beast is pretty cool looking, particularly the tail is cool. I enjoy the Lady Vampire, Great Haldane and Jeremiah Pratt as well. The Minotaur and Sky Skeleton aren't great. I do like the animation error where the Sky Skeleton's pupils aren't colored in, which makes him look soulless and it's super creepy. Yeah, I'm definitely not a fan of Carl and Tony lol.

Shadowscooby

3/29/2022 02:18:59 pm

The first Scooby Doo and Scrappy Doo Series of Course. A lot of nostalgia from that series.

Jacob Staggs

3/29/2022 05:33:02 pm

I am still going with Richie Rich Scooby Doo show season 1 here. I do really like some Puppy Hour villains but not many are substantial. The 1979 season had some really cool villains as did New Scooby and Scrappy Doo Show in 1983. As for 13 Ghosts, I really liked Maldor the Malevolent and the zombies in Horror Scope Scoob as well as Zimbulu.
As for NSDMY, they are not my thing with the exceptions of Snowball and the cartoon ghoul, and the parrot and zombies from Ghosts of the Ancient Astronauts.

WildwindVampire link

3/29/2022 07:24:48 pm

The zombies in "Horror Scope Scoob" were funny. Snowball was adorable.

I'll give my rankings of Puppy Hour here:

Good - Octopus, Medusa, Sea Monster, Gargoyle, Slime Boy, Zarko

Adorable - Bigfoot

Bad - Crooks, Cattle Rustlers, Balton Brothers, Motorcycle Gang, Crooks (again...too many unnamed crooks in this series), Miss Bulgravia, Crooks (x3), Evil Director, Moose, Slippery Dan, Bugsy Burton, Bruiser, Big Bad Bucko, RB, Michelos, Horse Thieves, Genie-Poo, Jasmine, Dr. Bleek, Hugo, Bart and Henchman, Aliens, Phantom, Catfish Burglar and Henchman, Wonga, Oog, Phantom Jewel Thief, Pistons McGee, Great Mysto and Accomplice, Abominable Snowman (design is good, the noises he makes are annoying which is what puts him here), Vendetta, Lance, Bulldog

God awful - Muscles Malone, Brutus, Buster, Bull, Pirate Grandma and Henchmen, McGurk Brothers

Cat - Cat Lady, Cat, Panther, Lion

So bad it's kinda funny - Coach, Fingers Malone (this guy is so stupid...he's literally trying not to be suspicious about his crimes on a plane while reading a magazine named "Crime")

Misogynist who could use a good kick in the arse - Horrible Homer

We don't talk about - Bruno

Jacob Staggs

3/29/2022 07:41:39 pm

The 5 villains from Puppy Hour that I really like are Jasmine the Genie, Slime Boy, RB, RB's girlfriend, and the Abominable Snowman.

WildwindVampire link

3/29/2022 07:47:03 pm

I'm glad you enjoyed those! I didn't really particularly enjoy any of them other than Slime Boy. Jasmine, RB and RB's girlfriend were a bit bland to me. The Abominable Snowman had a nice design, but his roar is awful (in my opinion).

Jacob Staggs

3/29/2022 07:59:20 pm

Concerning RB and his girlfriend, I am not sure why I enjoy them but I just do. Misfortune Teller is one of my favorite Scooby Doo Episodes from the 80's.

WildwindVampire link

3/29/2022 10:39:23 pm

Fair enough, nostalgia definitely drives us liking things that we're not sure why we like. I feel that way about "Scooby's Trip to Ahz."

Jacob Staggs

3/30/2022 01:40:03 am

I personally never use nostalgia for rating media. I am a critic and enjoy the art of the critique. I see nostalgia as an obstacle in the way of total expression. There are movies that I loved as a kid that I would not give a 2/10 to now.
I have nostalgia in the sense that I remember watching and liking something as a kid and I appreciate those memories but then I can pop it in, evaluate it, and find it to now be either great, abysmal, or in between.
I prefer it that way because it allows me to be fully in tune to what I like and dislike, not letting the past interfere too heavily with the present choice as I evolve as a viewer.
I have nothing against others using nostalgia to base their ratings on but I do not do it myself, for it does not seem to make my assessments accurate to how I feel.
The only time I ever let nostalgia factor into a rating was with Scooby Doo Meets the Boo Brothers. That is because it was one of the first movies that I ever saw. When I got older, I was still giving it a 10/10.. I realized that this 10/10 was partially out of nostalgia and not entirely truthful, so I stopped it. That was the first and last time that I let nostalgia factor into a rating.
Just something I felt compelled to bring up.

WildwindVampire link

3/30/2022 08:44:36 am

Thank you for pointing that out and I'm sorry I misunderstood what you were saying. That's a really interesting perspective on nostalgia! I actually have an article I just wrote about this a few days ago for the blog that I'll post at some point.

Matt

3/30/2022 09:29:11 am

🎵7 foot frame, giant monster mice along his back🎵

WildwindVampire link

3/30/2022 11:18:50 am

I was waiting to see if someone got that reference! Glad someone did haha.

WildwindVampire link

5/21/2022 04:23:25 pm

Going back through and doing averages on these that I didn't, so it's easier to calculate for the final winner's poll. Good and Adorable counts as 2 points, god awful is 0, whereas everything else is 1.

Average: 1.12

Shadowscooby

3/29/2022 07:03:57 pm

The Scooby Doo and Scrappy Doo (1979) Villains
The Blue Scarab - Great, Original and Cool Villain
The Night Ghoul of London - Great and Creepy Villain
The Alien - Great and Creepy Villain
The Neon Phantom - Great and Cool Villain
Snake Demon - Good and Original Villain
Sky Skeleton - Good and Creepy Villain
Dragon Beast - Great and Cool Villain
Devil Bear - Great and Original Villain
Sea beast of the Aztecs - Great Villain
Lady Vampire of the Bay - Great and Creepy Villain
Star Creature - Great, Original and Creative Villain
Shadow Creature - Great, Cool, Creepy, and Scary. (Best Villain of this series)
Ghost of Jeremiah Pratt - Great and Creepy Villain
Ghost of the Great Haldane - Great and Creepy Villain
Minotaur - Great Villain
Tony and Carl - Lame Villains I mean they were just kidnapping crooks

WildwindVampire link

3/29/2022 07:29:21 pm

Great - Alien, Neon Phantom, Snake Demon, Dragon Beast, Devil Bear, Sea Beast, Lady Vampire of the Bay (though it'd be better if she didn't have to say her full name every two seconds lol), Star Creature, Shadow Creature

Good - Blue Scarab, Night Ghoul, Sky Skeleton (there are a couple creepy scenes even if it's just a bone suit), Ghost of the Great Haldane, Minotaur

Bad - Carl and Tony

Jacob Staggs

3/29/2022 07:45:34 pm

I like all of the 1979 villains except for the Lady Vampire, Ghost of the Great Haldane, and the Night Ghoul.

WildwindVampire link

5/21/2022 04:26:15 pm

I forgot the ghost of Jeremiah Pratt, who falls in the "Good" category.

Average: 2.5

Jacob Staggs

3/29/2022 08:56:43 pm

NSASDS Villains
Great - Seaweed Monster, Hound of the Barkervilles, Creature from Chem Lab, Gorilla, The clown, the Gremlin
Okay - Great White Shark, the dinosaur
Bad - All of the others.

WildwindVampire link

3/29/2022 10:36:37 pm

Great - Poltergeist, Fireplace Fiend, Yadzruck, Gremlin, Chameleon, Ghost of McBaggy Rogers

Good - Hound of the Barkervilles, Dinosaur, Stone Figure, Skeleton, Animal Trophies, Haunted Picture, Quake Creature, Swintinacks, Phantom, Dracula, Poopsie (that's an awful name though), Frankenstein, Were-Baby, Ghost of Chef Maras, Viking, Seaweed Monster, Mr. Cyclops, Masked Manx, Chem Lab Creature, Spectre of Sports Cars (after he loses his glove, he gets close to the "Bad" category), Minotaur, Mummy

Bad - Wizard, Tyrant, Clown, Shark, Randar, Ape, Ivan, Ghost of Casey O'Riley, Neanderthal

WildwindVampire link

5/21/2022 04:28:05 pm

Average: 1.91

Jacob Staggs

3/29/2022 09:05:52 pm

My Top 5 Favorite villains between all of these Scrappy series
5) Maldor the Malevolent
4) RB
3) Banshee
2) Star Creature
1) Sylvester the Vampire

WildwindVampire link

3/29/2022 10:38:23 pm

Oh boy, this is tough but I'll try. I guess it's odd none of the 1979 villains are in here given I picked that as my vote, but I would argue that the series had the most consistently good villains compared to the others, while the best villains came from individual other seasons.

5. Universal Monsters
4. Shadow Demon
3. Maldor the Malevolent
2. Banshee
1. Zomba

Becker

3/30/2022 05:11:32 am

I guess my brain must not be working, cuz I can't remember the banshee at all. What episode was it from?

WildwindVampire link

3/30/2022 08:41:52 am

It appeared briefly in "Scooby's Luck of the Irish." I thought the design was super cool-looking and this deserved its own episode. Here's a picture of it: https://scoobysnaxepguides.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/2/2/13221939/published/1448298925.png

Samuel Kirkwood

3/30/2022 04:53:01 am

I would have to agree with others it's a tricky one between the 1979 series, the NSM and 13 ghosts but feel the 1979 series wins. I'm away and can't really do proper research on my phone but when you consider that the best episodes of NSM contained Velma and or Fred and the fact that some of the 13 ghosts were a little lacklustre, it makes sense although 13 ghosts was a very close second.

WildwindVampire link

3/30/2022 08:42:58 am

Yep, agreed. The New Scooby-Doo Mysteries also included too many villains that were just spies in my opinion.

Samuel Kirkwood

3/30/2022 02:11:24 pm

Oh yeah I think you did an editorial on that a way back due to the cold war. Sneaky.

WildwindVampire link

3/30/2022 02:53:12 pm

I did haha. Right before the pandemic I believe. Simpler times lol.

Sdf

3/30/2022 04:40:00 pm

I was between the 1979 series and 13 ghosts. I find the 13 ghost villains a bit cartoony and not so much creepy so i went with sdasd 1979

WildwindVampire link

3/30/2022 07:54:03 pm

Speaking of 13 Ghosts, I'll do my rankings of them here:

Amazing - Maldor, Shadow Demon, Zomba

Great - Mirror Demon, Cyclone Ghost, Nicara

Good - Werewolves, Monster Trees, Monster Bush, Dragon, Queen Morbidia, Griswald, Captain Ferguson and Passengers, Marcella, Time Slime, Phantasmo, Weerd and Bogel (I guess)

Bad - Rat Guards, Morbidia's Demons, Brewski Sisters, Demondo, Rankor, SAPS leader, Zimbulu

Amusing - Zombies

WildwindVampire link

5/21/2022 04:30:01 pm

Amazing is 4 points, Great is 3, Good and Amusing is 2, and Bad is 1.

Average: 1.96

Jacob Staggs

3/30/2022 08:25:45 pm

My 13 Ghosts Villains Ranking
Great - Maldor the Malevolent , Zimbulu, Zombies,
Good- Werewolves, Monster Trees, Monster Bush, Queen Morbidia, Shadow Demon, Mirror Demon, Nicara, Griswold, Captain Ferguson and Passengers, Marcella, Time Slime, Bogel and Weerd, Morbidia's Demons, Demondo, Rankor
Okay - Zomba, Cyclone Ghost, Brewski Sisters
Bad - Dragon, Phantasmo, Rat Guards, SAPS leader

WildwindVampire link

3/30/2022 10:44:35 pm

Nice rankings! I'm surprised to see Zomba so low.

I'll provide my rankings of the last Scrappy series I haven't done yet, The New Scooby-Doo Mysteries, here:

Great - Red Skull, Norma Deathman, Franklin Stein, Wolfie, Maid Mummy, Floating Hands, Ghost of Hamlet, Ghost of Ebenezer Overview, Dracula, Dracula's Wife, Mummy, Frankenstein, Wolfman, Sea Monster, Invisible Man, Chandra the Unbelievably Remarkable (and Quite Interesting Too), Ghost of Van Helsing, Ghost of Sherlock Holmes, Ghost of Christmas Never, Winslow Nickelby

Good - Ratfinks, Cyclops, Sea Demons, Mastermind, Monster Mutt, Elf, Ghost of George Washington, Ghost of Abraham Lincoln, Ghost of Teddy Roosevelt, Ghost of Ulysses Grant, Beauregard's Ghost

Bad - Thaddeus Blimp, Dr. Mullins, Zombies (cool designs, used poorly), Snakes, Jocko the Parrot, Mullins' Unnamed Associate, Laser Band Thieves

Really Bad - Codefinger (he's just a guy in a full-body jumpsuit), Abdul, Punjab

Amusing - Giant Bees, Mad Sea Lion, 30 Foot Mouse

Adorable and deserving of all the pets - Snowball

Matt

3/31/2022 09:32:34 pm

I will defend Codefinger a little bit. Similar to the Chameleon, he wasn’t supposed to be a monster or anything, but just a guy who is really good at disguises. I have to give him props for somehow tricking the General into thinking that he was a Major in his disguise. I’d say he is more okay than good, but for what he is, I don’t think he is that bad

On the other hand, I absolutely COMPLETELY agree with the amusing tier, especially the Mad Sea Lion which is absolutely one of the funniest non-A Pup Named Scooby Doo monsters ever

WildwindVampire link

3/31/2022 09:34:29 pm

I definitely don't hate Codefinger, I just thought his design was a little silly. The disguises were cool though! I guess perhaps a "really bad" ranking was a bit harsh. I'm glad you agree on my amusing tier haha. The Sea Lion is indeed one of the funniest villains of the franchise lol.

WildwindVampire link

5/21/2022 04:33:44 pm

Great and adorable are 3 points, good is 2 points, bad and amusing are 1 point, and really bad gets zero points.

Average: 2.02

Matt

4/1/2022 12:21:06 am

Some REALLY big Scooby Doo news was revealed by Warner Bros. Check out my commentary on it here:

https://scoobyaddicts.proboards.com/thread/6074/breaking-news?page=1&scrollTo=66056

Becker

4/1/2022 06:04:16 am

AAAHHH F... should've known

WildwindVampire link

4/1/2022 09:13:30 am

Seems like we had similar ideas lol.

Matt (Rick Astley appreciator)

4/1/2022 11:42:24 am

I prefer my work last year to my work this year, but the more Rick the better

https://scoobyaddicts.proboards.com/thread/5825/breaking-news

James Dixon

4/1/2022 04:03:58 am

WB is releasing a new Looney Tunes film called King Tweety in June, so I'm wondering when the next Scooby film will be announced.

whackman

4/1/2022 08:12:19 am

I don't think we will be seeing a new DTV of scooby, for a while given that a new DTV Looney Tunes was only recently announced. Besides it usually takes three months for new DTV from warner to become available on DVD and streaming following such a announcement. Besides the Super-Pets movie comes out at the end of july, so if they were to annouce a new Scooby movie now that means it would most likey come out at the beginning of july. Which wouldn't be a good idea to do seeing as releasing two movies starring krypto in them so close to each other would be a rather bad idea. Also I doubt we will be a seeing a new Scooby series for a while, seeing as WB is currently busy make new episodes for Jellystone! it was announced a while ago that show was renewed for an additional 40 episodes to make so we be definitely be seeing a third and fourth season and if we are a lucky maybe even as fifth one I hope we see a DVD release of it one day.. As for the velma series I think it will get released in autumn.

WildwindVampire link

4/1/2022 09:14:14 am

I think it will probably be the Krypto film, and we'll probably get that closer to July to align with the new date for the Super Pets film.

whackman

4/1/2022 12:18:34 pm

I could be wrong but I really don't think the Krypto film will get released towards july it would simply be bad publicity to release two movies with the same character to close to each other. And we do know that it takes them a peroid of three months to release these DTV since they have been know to do this the past and are still doing it that way some examples.

Tom & Jerry: Cowboy Up, press release and trailer was on Oct 30, 2021 got a DVD and Digital released on January 25, 2022. hence took three months to get released.

King Tweety, press release and trailer was on Mar 21, 2022. Comes to DVD and Digital on June 14 2022.

WildwindVampire link

4/1/2022 02:29:44 pm

You may be right, but on the other hand I'd find it odd if WB just happened to come up with two movies with Krypto around the same time, especially since Krypto hasn't appeared in any media (besides comics) since the mid-2000s. It sort of feels like they were trying to synchronize it so the Scooby film would support the movie, but I may be wrong.

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