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Velma Episode 7 and 8 Review

2/2/2023

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My first note for episode 7 is “this clown appears to have hung himself.” I would say that’s a great metaphor for how WTF this episode was. Surprisingly, for once it was not WTF in the sense that there was over-the-top edgy humor or the characters doing shocking things; it was more in the sense that the writers made a lot of really odd decisions with the plot.

After the end of last episode, I would have expected this episode to be mainly centered around the killer, but it isn’t hardly at all. The killer shows up for a single scene that lasts only a few seconds up until the last four minutes of the episode. We had quite a few different developments happen in this episode, but many of them were very random.

Looking first at Velma, Velma is upset about the sheriff’s law that all women need to be accompanied by a man to the Fog Fest dance. We have a brief detour where Velma investigates what the word “Jinkies” means, which was written on her mom’s note that Velma found at the end of last episode. Velma quickly realizes that her mother’s script which she’d been using to kill spiders had all the answers, and even had the killer’s phone number written on it. Personally, from a creative standpoint, I found this to be very lazy. A consistent issue I’ve had with this show is that it often uses really lazy plot devices to advance the story rather than actually creating an engaging mystery. Velma then calls the killer at the number on the script, and they breathe heavily into the phone. I thought that scene was decently creepy, even if it wasn’t amazingly done.

The episode then switches a completely unrelated plot where Velma dresses up as a man to get around the sheriff’s law that women need a chaperone. For most of the rest of the episode, we get this weird social commentary plot where Velma realizes that the qualities she is chastised for as a woman are celebrated by people when she is dressed up as a man. We also are shown some weird cutaways in which Velma experiences male privilege, such as handing her potential employer a resumé that just reads “I’m awesome” written sloppily in marker, and the employer delightedly responds by handing her a huge sack of money with a sign reading “you’re hired!” I did want to find that funny, but with that particular joke, I feel like it’s been done a zillion times, and I’ve seen the same joke done so much better, so it wasn’t the groundbreaking, edgy joke that the writers expected it to be. I will admit I laughed at the cutaway where Velma exaggeratedly exclaims “oh yeah!” and puts her thumbs up after peeing in a urinal.

Before moving on to the other characters, I want to talk about the humor for a moment. Like last episode, the humor felt much more toned down and not as in-your-face as previous episodes have. There were certainly a few edgy jokes, like the “nut tap” one was weird, but it seems like the writers have realized that they don’t need to try so intensely hard to be edgy every second. I have to say, that’s a nice change and even if some of the humor is still cringey, I appreciate the fact that it’s no longer constant.

I’ll move onto Daphne next. Daphne’s plot was kind of weird this episode. She becomes depressed and begins binge drinking at the fog fest. Given what she went through with finding her parents, it’s kind of understandable…but it felt like the show made some leaps. She seems kinda content at the end of last episode, so how she went from that to suddenly becoming a heavy drinker is really confusing and feels like it needed some more development. While Daphne’s drunk, she runs into Velma (under her alternate persona “Manny” the man), and starts getting a crush on her. This creates a lot of drama as Velma realizes this is a chance to act on her crush for Daphne. Personally, I still don’t feel the drama is done well. It seems very random and is not developed at all. In general, this show seems to have a way of forgetting about certain aspects of the plot, and then randomly bringing them up again at a later point with no explanation as to why they ignored it for a few episodes. Also, for all the crappy social commentaries in this show, I have to admit I found Daphne’s remark “I’d punch you if men didn’t sexualize women fighting” to actually be a pretty good social commentary. It’s one of the very few in the show that worked IMO.

Moving on to Norville, Gigi and him broke up off-screen (illustrating my point perfectly about how this show is really random and nonsensical with plot threads). Noriville tries to win Gigi back by asking her to the Fog Fest, and instantly does. They end up going to the Fog Fest and Gigi gets mad at Norville again…but then instantly backtracks without Norville even saying anything, and says she loves him because he treats her well. In particular, that end scene where she’s mad and then instantly falls in love with him again is really odd. Sometimes it feels like the writers just have something in their mind that they want to happen, and then they’re like “we’re gonna make this happen no matter if it makes sense with the plot or not!” Honestly, just as a side note, I feel like that was something I didn’t really care for about this episode in general. The writers were so determined to make a social commentary about male privilege that they just randomly shoved it in here, and as a result, squandered an opportunity to make an episode that focused on the mystery and the killer, in a creepy setting like the Fog Fest no less.

Fred’s main plot line is that he wants to be the Fog Fest King, and is mad that Shaggy is appearing to be the front runner. They’ve completely dropped the plot where he’s learning about feminism for some inexplicable reason, which was strange. Without getting too political, there have been some theories that Velma is a right wing sysop. Honestly, Fred’s comment where he says “the serial killer is whatever you need it to be” kinda felt like something right-wing people would typically mock left-wing people with, which gives a little bit of validity to that theory. I won’t comment on the political aspect of it any further, I just thought it was interesting.  There wasn’t really much notable about Fred, so I’ll just talk about his scenes with the killer. The last four minutes of the episode features the gang being chased around the Fog Fest by the serial killer, while classic Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? music is played. Personally, I felt the music was a bit forced. It didn’t really fit, and kinda screamed Mindy Kaling thinking “woah, wouldn’t it be awesome to have the gang chased by a serial killer over the classic score?” It just felt unnatural and did not really work IMO. Also, I never thought I’d hear Fred say “Damn girl, how’d you get all that ass in those little slacks?” to himself in the mirror lol.

Moving onto episode 8, we once again got a clearer focus on the mystery, which was nice. The episode centers around  Norville, Velma, Daphne and Gigi all getting stuck in the woods when Norville accidentally misinterprets Gigi’s request to have a romantic weekend together. I felt there was a lot of unnecessary drama and fighting in the episode: Gigi is mad at Norville because he didn’t get her obvious signals about wanting to be alone at her cabin in the woods. Daphne is mad at Velma for faking a hallucination so that she would come to Velma to investigate in the woods, instead of hanging out with Olive, whom we learn Daphne has a crush on. On a random aside, we also see that Gigi has a bloody bear rug of a skinned bear carcass in her living room, which I thought was very bizarre.

A series of unfortunate events causes all four of them to fall into an underground cave and become trapped by a rock. They learn that one person will have to be crushed because of how tightly the rock is pinning them. I feel the characters express their worst qualities there when instead of someone volunteering to sacrifice themselves, they all immediately try to kill each other without hesitation.

Meanwhile, Fred is kidnapped by the serial killer and put into a locked room. In this room, he finds the brains of the murdered girls conserved in some sort of fluid, and they are still able to talk somehow through device. I found Fred’s antics with the brains to be kinda weird, especially all the jokes about Fred having a love affair with each of the girls’ brains. The joke about Fred accidentally almost getting one of the girls’ brains pregnant was particularly cringey and over-the-top. I did not find the police leaving Velma, Daphne, Gigi and Norville after already finding them so they could rescue Fred (because he’s a white person) to be funny. It was definitely another very cringily executed social commentary.

Velma and Daphne separate from the rest of the group as they fall into the cave, and hear Fred. They’re able to rescue him, but Velma nearly falls into a hole in the cave when the walls begin disintegrating. Velma is saved by none other than her mother, and all five of them escape the cave. I have to admit, the joke I found the funniest was Fred running through the cave (which is collapsing due to loud sounds) screaming “Help! Help!” at top volume. It was one of those jokes that was just so stupid to watch that I found it hilarious.

The episode ends with Velma’s mom going to the hospital saying she can’t remember anything about who kidnapped her, and we learn that she only has 72 hours to remember otherwise her memories will be lost forever. They don’t explain why, but I’m sure it will be for some cringey nonsensical reason lol. I'm guessing she will be the killer, and is faking the memory loss. Also, random aside, but another one of the jokes I liked the most is Velma’s shirt at the beginning of the episode, which says “Missing” has a picture of her mother holding a cat on it, and in parentheses below the picture, it says “the mom, not the cat.” It was so random and ridiculous that it worked for me.

The flashback format of this episode was interesting. I don’t know if I’d say it was super well executed, but it wasn’t badly executed either. All of the meta jokes about how flashbacks are best done in TV shows definitely gives validity to the theory that I’ve seen a lot of people say on the Internet, where it seems like many of the jokes in this show were written by TV writers who only talk to other TV writers.

Overall, I thought these two episodes were okay. I didn’t feel they were quite as strong as the last episodes writing-wise. I felt episode 7 squandered an opportunity to focus on the mystery in favor of a weird male privilege social commentary that has been done far better in so many other shows and movies. I liked that they focused on the mystery more in episode 8, so that was definitely a bonus. However, the constant fighting got old pretty quickly. I feel this show’s mystery has the potential to be interesting, but they are wasting so much time on drama and social commentaries that it is detracting from the ability to develop the overall plot.
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On the more positive side, I am glad they are toning down the humor a bit. The cringey jokes felt constant in the first four episodes, so it’s good they’ve brought it down to a more manageable level. I feel I’m able to ignore some of the more cringey jokes when they are popping up as a result, and I’m finding more jokes funny than I did in the first four. As a brief aside I didn’t mention in the main review, the one joke I felt to be extremely over-the-top in episode 8 was the joke where Velma casually asks if she can have some more edible underwear to eat, as if they are potato chips or something. I know this show loves its edgy humor, but that one stood out to me as hypersexual to the extreme.

I can’t believe we only have one more week left now! The show’s gone really fast. I’m guessing with all the controversy and how it’s been commonly called “one of the worst shows ever” by many critics, this isn’t going to be renewed, so I have to believe next Thursday is it. I’m interested to see what happens, and I look forward to hearing all of your thoughts on this week’s episodes!


Rankings:
1. The Sins of the Fathers and Some of the Mothers
2. Marching Band Sleepover
3. A Velma in the Woods
4. Fog Fest

5. The Candy Man
6. Velma
7. Velma Makes a List
8. Velma Kai
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ScoobyVerse
2/2/2023 09:39:31 pm

Did you see Scooby’s corpse in episode 8? I found it extremely disrespectful to kill Scooby-Doo. The “playful” reimagining as they said In the episode doesn’t feel very playful. But crude for the sake of being crude “guys looked we killed Scooby-Doo 🤣🤣🤣🤣” it’s not even funny in a comedic standpoint. Who finds showing a dead dog funny.

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WildwindVampire link
2/2/2023 10:08:30 pm

I definitely did not see that. What scene was that in? Could you give a timestamp?

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Lamont
2/2/2023 11:20:42 pm

Like 9:12 when the camera panned down through the ground. I knew they were gonna hide something in the ground, but I wasn’t expecting to see that.

WildwindVampire link
2/3/2023 07:59:16 am

I totally missed it. That was pretty distasteful of them IMO.

The cop
2/3/2023 05:24:29 am

I don't think that was supposed to be scooby the shape is all wrong I think it's dino and also you can see Charlie the robots head when they pan down to

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Becker
2/3/2023 06:37:20 am

The shape is not wrong. Look at the paws, no way those are a dinosaur's, it's clear those are dog paws.

WildwindVampire link
2/3/2023 08:00:53 am

I just went back and watched it, and yeah, I agree that's Scooby. I hadn't seen Charlie either but I saw him now.

Lamont
2/3/2023 12:40:56 am

I found more early character designs for Velma.
https://twitter.com/seangallowayart/status/1619880118415163393

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WildwindVampire link
2/3/2023 08:08:15 am

These look good! Thanks for sharing!!!

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Mr Neither
2/3/2023 02:06:35 am

Episode 7 - Men are great, fact. I believe Fred's parents forced him to stop all the feminism stuff. This one was pretty funny for the done of overly sexist jokes.
Episode 8 - Oh great, annoying Velma is back.

Overall all of these characters are vulgar, manipulative and self-centred, I can't wait until this cesspit of a show is over. There have been a few redeeming qualities but overall plot wise it has been a total mess. Velma's mother is either the killer or we'll end up with some cliche hypnotised ending no doubt. But who knows, maybe the final 2 episodes will have a decent surprise. I also don't like how they constantly bash the original show and it's formula for laughs, it's extremely disrespectful in my eyes.

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WildwindVampire link
2/3/2023 08:06:09 am

I completely agree with you about the characters. I hope it's not a cliche hypnotized ending, but I wouldn't be surprised with this show's track record. Yeah, the constant bashing of the original formula is too much. Them showing Scooby's skeleton is particularly disrespectful and takes it too far IMO.

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Mr Neither
2/4/2023 06:10:32 am

Agreed. And part of me can't decide what they're trying to do. One minute it is like we're going to disrespect and drag the show through the mud, the next it's like, oh here's a homage to x from episode x.

WildwindVampire link
2/4/2023 09:13:37 am

Yeah, it's a very weird dichotomy where it feels like they are trying to pay homage to certain villains or tropes of old episodes, and then the next moment they're actively trying to insult fans of the franchise by calling them burnouts or killing Scooby. It's bizarre.

Mr Neither
2/9/2023 06:45:22 am

SPOILER: I FUCKING NAILED IT.

WildwindVampire link
2/9/2023 01:59:25 pm

You sure did, lol.

Gatherer Hade
2/3/2023 07:23:22 am

Re Scooby's skeleton. Yep, I think it is him. The paws and bowed back legs are fairly obvious. But I certainly missed it on viewing. At least those who've argued this isn't Scooby-Doo because he isn't in it are no longer correct - on a technicality... ;)

Again I was OK with these episodes. Again, they certainly could have been better. Did enjoy the Door scene - and yes the music was a bit in your face.
We finally have a scene with just the four main characters, when they all collide during the chase scene.

As for who is the serial killer. There is one person I think is logical, and it isn't Diya. But whether I'm right, we'll see in 7 days I guess.

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WildwindVampire link
2/3/2023 08:07:25 am

Glad I wasn't the only one who missed it! The door sene was pretty fun. I'm interesting to see who you think is the serial killer. It'd be funny if it ended up being Velma all along (that won't happen; would still be funny with how unlikable she is).

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Gatherer Hade
2/4/2023 02:55:37 am

I'd post if I could hide it behind a spoiler blackout. But I guess it's really not a spoiler as I'm guessing. And to be honest I've found clues very thin on the ground.

Jayden
2/3/2023 09:35:59 am

If I'm honest I don't mind the series Velma , it's alright. But it's not something I would binge watch. It's just something I would watch say if I'm in class and bored etc

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WildwindVampire link
2/3/2023 09:50:13 am

Yeah, it's definitely not unwatchable, but I don't find it very good either and would likely never return to it unless these last two episodes really turn things around.

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Becker
2/3/2023 10:00:32 am

I enjoyed episode 7 considerably more than episode 8. Not because episode 7 is that good, but because episode 8 is a terrible mess. I prefered last week's pair of episodes overall to this week's pair.

First off, I was also disappointed that we actually get that much action with the killer until the last few minutes. During most of the episode we only got a few ominous shots of the killer around the Fog Fest and Velma ringing their phone a couple of times. However, once the killer actually showed up, I admit it was fairly enjoyable. The chases and shenanigans at the end, both on Velma, Daphne and the killer's side as well as Norville and Fred's side, were decently entertaining (I especially enjoyed the classic Scooby doors segment with Fred and Norville). The problem is that the SDWAY music playing over the chases felt very out of place and forced, they were trying too far to showcase "Look! We're finally doing the classic Scooby tropes!", it would've worked better without that musical score. A cool thing that the chase led to is the first proper interaction between all 4 members together (yeah, this is a cool thing by this show's standards). Though, I do wonder what the point of the scene of the killer attacking and — seemingly to the audience — killing Gigi was if by the end of the episode we see she's completely fine and doesn't even reference that moment happening at all. Probably just another quick cheap shock, the writers sure love them.

A subplot of episode 7 that we instead spend time with before all of that is Velma experiencing male privileges after dressing up as one. It was executed in a very cringy way, and the awful montage has no reason to exist, didn't laugh at any of the jokes regarding this whole thing. I don't think it took up quite as much of the episode as you're saying though. The social commentary (not just this subplot, but in general) is the usual you get with this show, a lot of Twitter buzzwords that only make the viewer facepalm. And as always, Velma says most of these, only further proving she's the most unlikable character. Same goes for ep 8, to not repeat myself later. Now back to ep 7: Daphne suddenly heavy drinking felt very off and out of character even for this version. She showed no signs last episode of being so affected by her real parents' plan, because she realized how much her adoptive ones love her.

Another awful thing is the relationship drama between Daphne and Velma. I get a lot of second-hand embarrassment from watching their scenes together (yet the ones in this episode are nothing compared to the next episode), we spend a good chunk of the episode on their kinda-romance too, after 2 eps with barely any interaction (which they at least address in this ep). The changes in Norville and Gigi's relationship are also very random and sudden, especially at the very end. Gigi's opinion on Norville's actions seems to change every other moment, while Norville does at least clearly have good intentions despite them not coming through the best way at times. Fred's still head over heels for Velma, but the writers seemingly forgot his newfound feminism is also a thing. And Daphne agreeing so flippantly to Fred's fogposal was odd, cuz they're not even together anymore.

As far as the overall mystery, the lazy plot devices are so bad, namely the killer's phone number being written on one of Diya's manuscripts, which Velma used as a spider killer, and also the fog switching the Fog Fest king crown with the killer's phone. The former is so awful that it directly narrows down the killer's identity to pretty much just Diya herself, while the latter is just plain stupid luck. What I don't get is why Diya left the "Jinkies" clue for Velma to find the phone number and why she was attacking her at the Fog Fest if she didn't want to kill her (evident from the fact she disappeared when she had the prime opportunity to kill her when the gang bumped into each other). Unless Diya's sabotaging herself as the killer in the plan to make herself seem innocent when Diya's found alive (which could be the case considering what happens in ep 8), there's no reason for any of that to happen.

The humor in episode 7 was about as much as in ep 6, and of the same quality too. Aka mostly unfunny with a few funny bits sprinkled in. I personally did not find Velma using the urinal and men sexualizing girl fights funny at all, nor clever in the latter's case. The inflammatory comments (of which Velma has at least 1 per scene), the constant references to anything the writers can fathom and the occasional gross shit just don't work as good comedy. One of the moments that got me was Daphne misunderstanding Fred's "fog" as "fuck". It wasn't that clever, but it caught me off guard. Fred's conversation with his parents at the beginning of the episode worked because it didn't try to be funny, a rare case in this show. His parents are awful btw, not letting him in the house if he doesn't win the Fog

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Becker
2/3/2023 10:01:30 am

His parents are awful btw, not letting him in the house if he doesn't win the Fog Fest crown is extreme, and it shows in Fred's desperation afterwards.

Meanwhile, I find that the humor was ramped up in ep 8. Not only is the first third of the episode so focused on the meta commentary of flashbacks in media, it also sucks ass. There's like 30 jokes related to flashbacks in media, and they are horrible and overplayed. They get old and annoying super fast, and yet it feels like the writers thought they struck comedy gold or something. I also think them going non-linear and cutting back and forth wasn't the right choice, it added nothing of value to the storytelling other than the awful commentary on flashbacks. The special forces only caring about Fred got on my nerves too, it wasn't funny. Speaking of Fred, every scene of him and the brains had a joke every 3 seconds. So yeah, they went all in on the humor this episode imo.

"The incident" of Daphne having had a crush on Gigi a year ago and Daphne hanging out with Olive a lot went literally nowhere by the end of the episode. They only exist to create more shitty manufactured drama between Daphne and Velma and nothing else. Just unbearable and frustrating. And how they ask each other about being girlfriends minutes after attempting to crush each other to death is... I don't even know anymore. Oh yeah, that whole segment of the 4 of them being stuck is annoying in general, constant arguing, mostly about relationship drama. Very lazy reason for them falling down the pit and getting stuck too. Side note: Norville was the only one who didn't try to crush someone else to save himself from the rock. Good job for not being a horrible human being, Norville! Too bad it seems like your relationship with Gigi is down the toilet. It was getting irritating to watch their arguments anyway, not as much as Daphne and Velma's, but still. What's with the weird accusation of him still having feelings for Velma. He's shown no signs of still loving Velma. Sure, he may not be the best at taking Gigi's hints, but he's not with Gigi to distract himself from Velma. It's unclear if Fred has genuine feelings for Velma anymore too, after he hooked up with 3 girls, uh, brains. This show is a relationship clusterfuck. If the preview for next week is anything to go by, seems like Norville and Gigi are over for good, Gigi's nowhere to be seen, not even the shots of the whole gang and co together. And Norville looks upset at Velma when asked for help with something in a shot.

Why did the killer attack, capture and drag Fred out to the lab in the middle of the mountain without killing him? There's 3 jars of brains there and he has a chance to escape if he's still alive. How is the killer so dumb? So dumb that the killer also took a picture of the site where the secret lab is... the only reason the gang even found Fred. Lazy af. The scenes between Fred and the girls' brains are such a mixed bag, some of the jokes were so out there that they did get me, while others were just weird and uncomfortable. But I would say they are overall some of the better scenes in this episode, because most of the others are spent on the awful Daphne & Velma and Norville & Gigi dramas. I mean, at least these scenes didn't annoy me, I was somewhat entertained and intrigued. Are the brains still alive after getting hit by rubble? Who knows.

And finally we get to Diya coming in to save Velma. This felt like whiplash, did not see that coming. It's really odd for the show to resolve Diya's disappearance with more than 2 full episodes left. Weird-ass pacing. And now we know almost for certain that she's the killer. How would she get to the lab otherwise? She came from the direction of Daphne and Fred, which is where the door is that leads to the lab from the outside. She definitely came in clutch at the last minute as a way of getting suspicion off her back, same with her pretending to forget who the killer is and somehow having 3 days to remember or else no one will ever know. She's obviously faking it, there's no other way any of this makes sense. Her reaction when Velma asks her about the killer and Velma saying she senses a lot of lies in the preview pretty much say it all. I'd be shocked if it ends up not being Diya. Oh, and the "Mystery Jalopy" was god-awful. We now know how the gang gets its van, randomly through Velma's killer mom, yay I guess. The way they get out of the cave-in was cool enough, but the dialogue during the scene doesn't help. The way Velma and Diya talk to each other is cringy.

As far as the characters, Velma, Daphne and Gigi got even worse these episodes. Velma and Daphne showcase how shitty and manipulative they are (including with each other) in these 2 episodes, and they're right they shouldn't be friends (but they're not right they should be girlfriends). They're at their most unbearable when talking to each other, and we got that galore this week. Not that they were likable when talkin

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Becker
2/3/2023 10:02:15 am

Not that they were likable when talking to the others these episodes either. Gigi keeps complaining about Norville too much when he doesn't inherently mean anything bad, at this point Norville's better without her. Fred and Norville didn't get better or worse these episodes, they're still the most likable and entertaining characters, they get most of the laughs (Fred is actually the funniest character in the disaster that is episode 8). Fred shouting "Fred's alive" is one of the best laughs in the show, which says something.

Becker
2/3/2023 10:14:48 am

Meant "that we didn't actually get that much action" in the second paragraph

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WildwindVampire link
2/3/2023 01:33:21 pm

I'm glad you agree it was a missed opportunity on the writers' part. Yeah, it was definitely enjoyable when the killer showed up, but I felt it should have been longer and they didn't need to waste time on all the unnecessary references to the franchise that weren't funny. It's pretty sad that in the fourth-to-last episode of the show, we're saying "awesome, the four main characters finally talked!" lol. I feel like that Gigi scene was absolutely just to shock the audience only to reveal the writers were just trolling. The bit where she switched clothes with the carriage driver for no reason was weird.

Yeah, the second-hand embarrassment from the drama scenes is strong in these episodes, since they're written in a way that could not possibly be more cringey in a lot of cases. That's one thing I hate about this show, where they inexplicably drop plot threads for several consecutive episodes, and then randomly pick them up again. I also found Fred's fogposal to Daphne to be really odd, since they are exes yet that isn't even acknowledged for some reason? Yeah, I agree the Fog Fest king crown getting switched with the killer's phone was really cringey.

I mainly found the urinal joke funny just because of how stupid and in-your-face it was, in a "so bad it's funny" type way. But yeah, overall I completely agree with you that the random crap with the occasional gross-out joke sprinkled in is not at all funny.

I didn't mind the flashbacks, but agreed that the meta-commentary on flashbacks in TV shows was not funny at all, and it only continued to get less funny as they proceeded to callback to that joke a hundred times.

I don't understand the point of the bit with Daphne liking Gigi and Olive either. I don't know if they're going to reference Daphne liking Olive sometime in the last two episodes, but if not, it was clearly just to create more awful drama as you said. Yeah, the scene where they ask to date right after trying to kill each other was next-level awful. It showcases how beyond terrible this show has made these characters. While Gigi was a bit more likable in episode 7, I agree the constant arguments between them was not enjoyable, although Daphne and Velma's were far worse.

The accusation of him still liking Velma makes me worry that there's going to be some kind of drama between them in the last episodes, but I'm really hoping not because I can only imagine that would be unbearable to watch. I honestly don't even know what's going on in the show with the relationships anymore after all that's happened, so who knows where these last two episodes will take us. I don't know what to think about Gigi and Norville's relationship after this week's episode, where they break up off screen and the episode opens with Norville trying to win her back. Just another weird plot choice by the writers, since it makes no sense to have this big event happen off screen and then lead into the episode with Norville trying to reverse it.

The killer taking a picture of the secret lab is beyond lazy. I've pretty much given up all hope that the mystery will end in an interesting way at all; I'm bracing myself that it's going to wrap up in some really cringily written, stupid way. Given the show's track record, I imagine they'll forget about the brains until the last episode and we'll just get some nonsensical explanation as to how they survived being crushed by rubble.

I definitely didn't see Diya's rescue coming either. Yes, that Mystery Jalopy bit was beyond cringey, especially the classic Where Are You sound effect that played when she said "Mystery Jalopy." That felt even more forced than the Where Are You music in the previous episode IMO. Yeah, the writing and delivery of Diya's commentary seemed really stilted to me.

The brain scenes for the most part were a bit too weird for me, but he's hilarious at the end of episode 8. The "Fred's alive" bit was pretty funny, although I personally found him yelling "Help!" in the collapsing cave to be the best joke of the episode. It was so idiotic to watch that I couldn't help but laugh.

Becker
2/3/2023 02:00:05 pm

Oh man, if Gigi's accusation is true, that would mean the show culminates in Daphne, Fred and Norville all having crushes on Velma. That would the pinnacle of horrible, I dreaded even speaking that into existence. We don't even know if Daphne and Velma are girlfriends because the writing is so frustrating that it interrupts the scene where they're asking each others.

I was kinda stunned for a minute when Diya came out of nowhere to save Velma. What I was watching really didn't feel right. At this point the reveal of the killer is a lose-lose situation. It's either Diya, the most obvious and only logical explanation, or someone else for the sake of a twist, despite there being zero logical sense of the killer being anyone other than Diya.

I guess I was more intrigued by the brain scenes. The show is so bad that I preferred watching Fred falling in love with some brains than the other 4 constantly bickering. Ay, I guess the writers didn't completely forget about the effects the feminism book had on Fred — he literally falls in love with some girls for their brain. It's funny how we get an idea of Brenda and Lola's personalities and hear them talk only as brains after they're killed lol.

WildwindVampire link
2/3/2023 03:40:39 pm

I hope that's not the direction they take it, but this show's writing is so frustrating and nonsensical at times that I'm braced for any possibility at this point as to how they'll wrap things up. I agree it would be next-level awful if all of the other main three characters have a crush on Velma. I could even taking the show taking it a step further and adding Gigi having a crush on Velma too just for the shock of it, but fingers crossed that doesn't happen. This show certainly loves to troll the audience, so it seemed right on point that they'd interrupt the scene just as Velma and Daphne are about to become potential girlfriends.

There were a few bits that were funny with the brains, but it quickly became uncomfortable and gross when they had Fred hook up with the brains and have a pregnancy scare. The bickering was equally bad for me, but in the sense of it being annoying rather than uncomfortable. Oh yeah, I forgot about that falling in love with girls' brains comment. That was actually kind of a clever metaphor. Yeah, it was pretty funny we only learned Brenda and Lola's personalities after their death haha.

Gibby Norton
2/3/2023 11:50:11 am

Well... Episode 7 definitely sucked in my opinion. After hammering its joke into the ground that, as you said has been done way better elsewhere, we're still left with a scummy episode that reminds us of how awful Velma is and manages to make Norville extremely unlikable, too. Velma literally goes so far as to openly want to take advantage of Daphne not JUST while under the guise of someone else, but also while Daphne is blitheringly drunk and Velma is sober as a rock. That scene just did not sit right with me at all.

Norville has been an okay character up until now, and I think that they made him likable enough to compensate for the fact that he isn't very funny. Unfortunately, Episode 7 serves to distance me from him as a character and now I don't particularly have any characters in this miniseries besides Gigi that I want to see get a happy ending. Episode 7 most assuredly gets a 4/10 from me. I still find Fred funny, though, I'm so sorry! Lol Oh, and everyone seems to be mad about the SDWAY music that they use, I actually liked it. I thought it was cute enough, even if the jokes that the characters stated out loud during that bit weren't funny.

Episode 8 was an improvement, but it was definitely just a mess. The jumping around just so the writers could have an opportunity to comment on it was annoying. I also thought it continued that trend of Shaggy being unlikable. And then after their solution to Velma's trauma in the previous episode was to have her father let her have her way, the equally messed up advice in this episode is that if your friend is toxic and abusive then that must mean that you need to date instead. That was literally Velma's solution. Velma sucks so hard in this.

The focus on the overarching story helped to keep my interest up and the somewhat better pacing of jokes did help me find a couple things to chuckle at. And the brain thing was... weird. I mean, I expected that the show would do something with that after the set-up we have gotten previously on the brain surgery thing. However, even when anticipating it the brain thing was just very tonally odd in what is still supposed to be a murder mystery. Clowns kill themselves and teen girls get brutally murdered, but also people can be maimed and turned into brains in jars and come out just peachy keen. Super odd stakes.

And with the Scooby skeleton, maybe I'm desensitized after appalling things like the Robot Chicken parodies, but I didn't see it as that harmful to the brand? 1) I just straight up highly doubt that that is actually meant to be this universe's Scooby-Doo and is solely just a blink-and-you-miss-it reference. 2) The skeleton is such a goofy, cartoony looking thing. I would even call it a cute-looking skeleton. 3) This show, as stated above, has virtually zero stakes. Scooby being a happy-looking skeleton in a world where Fred can get shot through the legs and then canonically run around just a week or so later perfectly fine just really doesn't bother me. It's just dumb, not shocking or overly offensive compared to many of the other disparaging remarks that the characters have made.

I'd give episode 8 a super low 5/10. The best episodes of the season have easily been episodes 5 and 6, but if that is the peak of what this show has to offer... I just don't see this lasting. If we happen to get a season 2 I would want a drastic improvement, but these last two episodes have just left me really disheartened. This will probably be our only chance ever for an adult Scooby show and they wasted that potential on this idea. Weaksauce.

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WildwindVampire link
2/3/2023 01:07:55 pm

Yeah, this episode definitely showcased how terrible the characters could be, especially Velma. The fact that she took advantage of Daphne like that at her weakest moment, and even seemed to take delight in doing so, was pretty low. Norville was also not very likable in this episode, but I still think Velma easily takes the cake for most unlikeable character in this series. Gigi seems like a pretty decent character, although the constant changing her mind about Norville is a little odd.

That's fair about Fred haha. I find him funny at times, particularly the bit where he's shouting "Help!" to accelerate the cave collapsing, and I'll admit him checking himself out in the funhouse mirror got me just because it was such an authentically weird comment.

I wouldn't really say I'm mad about the SDWAY, it just felt in-your-face to me, as if they were holding up a sign saying "We're doing the classic tropes now!" It would have been better had it been more natural instead of as sudden and random as it was.

I wasn't overly bothered by the flashbacks, I moreso just didn't like how much time was spent on relationship drama and arguments. I completely agree that the message they gave in this episode was toxic. It's ridiculous for Daphne and Velma to want to date after they'd just tried to kill each other less than a minute before. Velma seems to be getting more toxic and insufferable by the episode. She's gone from hardcore judging others and being a crappy friend to actually emotionally abusing her friends and trying to kill them for her own gain, which is terrible.

Yeah, I agree the pacing of the jokes was at least a little better in this episode, except in the Fred scenes, and that the overarching story made it more interesting. The brain thing was just really odd, between the lack of explanations and the strange/uncomfortable jokes about them.

As I've processed it more, I'm on the same page as you about the Scooby skeleton thing. My initial thought was that it felt low for the writers to offend their audience by purposefully desecrating their own source material and killing the franchise's namesake. However, as I've thought about it more, it's clearly another "shock value" joke and the writers were just doing it for the sake of being offensive, so it doesn't bother me all that much. You're absolutely right that some of these characters' actions and comments are far more offensive and disrespectful to the franchise than that, particularly Velma's character.

Yeah, same. I don't anticipate the last two episodes giving us much of an improvement on that, and I'm sadly preparing to be let down by the inevitably terrible way that they wrap up the mystery. It's a bummer because I feel like they have the makings of a solid mystery here, but the show continues to squander opportunities to develop it into something interesting by its overfocus on the edgy humor, poor pacing, and just generally bad writing where the writers pick and choose what they want to acknowledge.

A friend of mine had an interesting theory that this series was greenlit by WB knowing it would be bad, so that they could shoot down any future pitches for an adult Scooby show and say "we tried that, and it flopped." I have no idea if there's any validity to their theory, but it's an interesting thought to ponder IMO.

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Becker
2/3/2023 01:22:16 pm

I wouldn't say the brains thing was unexplained, the killer tried to replicate Edna Perdue's work to keep brains alive and succeeded.

WildwindVampire link
2/3/2023 03:44:05 pm

I didn't phrase my comment well; I moreso meant that they didn't use any of the time with the brains to develop or explain that part of the mystery or teach us more about Edna's research; it was all just played up for a joke that's made into an entire subplot, which was more unfunny than funny to me with the exception of a few bits IMO.

Becker
2/3/2023 01:18:41 pm

I don't think they made Norville unlikable in these episodes. I think Gigi was more unlikable than him.

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Dzsasztin
2/3/2023 12:50:37 pm

For me, I kind of liked episode 8 and found 7 to be mediocre.
But maybe I'm just numb to the style after 6 episodes? I felt like it had less cringe and meta comedy, even if it still has too much.
I think the first six were fairly horrible, and if the openers were only as bad as these two, it wouldn't be as hated, but probably it's just me, since many of you liked the previous episodes more.

The Scooby skeleton is a great metaphor for the show itself.

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WildwindVampire link
2/3/2023 01:36:51 pm

I found episode 8 a bit more likable too. I also have that same feeling of getting numb to the style. I personally found episodes 5 and 6 to be better than these two, but those two and this week's were all better than the first four IMO. That's a good point about the Scooby skeleton haha.

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Carson Maitland - Smith link
2/4/2023 12:03:09 am

MINDY KAILING HAS GONE TOO FAR! Just because I'm not watching the Velma series, Doesn't mean She shouldn't be ashamed of herself for what the show did to Scooby in Episode 8.

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Dzsasztin
2/4/2023 03:08:49 am

Also, it doesn't have to do with anything, but I'd like to point out that despite advertising it as Mindy Kaling's project, she only does the voice of the main character and is an executive producer, not involved with the writing and the direction of any episode whatsoever.

The actual creator and showrunner is a man called Charlie Grandy.

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Alexandra Rutt
2/4/2023 07:52:29 am

The majority of Grandy's work is Mindy Kaling vehicles

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Dzsasztin
2/5/2023 12:26:19 pm

Right, but there are shows which Mindy Kaling writes for, and she never wrote or directed any of the Velma episodes.

James Dixon
2/4/2023 11:20:26 am

A lot to unpack with these episodes.

My thoughts are more on "Eating Crow," though. Ha. You have it well documented, so the March 23, 2016 date I have must be wrong (maybe I typed 3 instead of 0).

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WildwindVampire link
2/4/2023 02:07:35 pm

Yeah, I remember it came out the day after it was supposed to air on March 19. I've noticed actually happened pretty often with Cartoon Network. There was an instance where the Fright Hound mystery on the Crystal Cove Online game was accidentally posted the week after "Battle of the Humungonauts" aired, even though there was a four-week hiatus between that episode and "Howl of the Fright Hound." It also happened with "Mystery Solvers Club State Finals." When it was set to air on January 31, 2011 but pulled last minute, it was still put up on iTunes and Amazon the day after as if it had aired. There was also the one incident where Cartoon Network was posting one season 1 episode a week in order on their site for a while. Once they posted the season 1 finale, they accidentally posted "Night the Clown Cried" four months before the TV airdate, when they should have cycled back around to "Beware the Beast from Below."

It must have had something to do with the scheduling team not communicating well with other divisions of the company, and it was always pretty fascinating to me whenever they'd make a mistake like that. I think "Eating Crow" the only instance of it happening post-SDMI, though.

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