 Hi everyone!
With all the discussion lately following Curse of the 13th Ghost about what's canon and what's not, SDF and I have been working on a project about what could be considered canon. In our definition, canon means that there are no continuity errors with other things in the Scooby-Doo franchise that would prevent it from being in the main continuity. Anything that is not canon would be discontinuous with another incarnation, or it somehow contradicts another Scooby-Doo episode, special, or film. The following is the canon we came up with. Some non-canon movies fit together nicely with others, such as the LEGO or live action films, and have been placed in a canon together. All incarnations under the "separate canons" category are all in their own, individual canons and do not fit together with anything else in the franchise. Some notes are provided where our placement might be a bit confusing. However, if there's anything you feel should be placed elsewhere, please let us know in the comments and we'll be happy to explain our reasoning as to why we chose to place it there. Main Canon A Pup Named Scooby-Doo Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! The New Scooby-Doo Movies Scooby-Doo and Guess Who? "Bat-Mite Presents: Batman's Strangest Cases!" Scooby-Doo! & Batman: The Brave and the Bold The Scooby-Doo Show "Bravo Dooby-Doo" Scooby-Doo! and the Monster of Mexico Scooby-Doo! Spooky Games Scooby-Doo! Haunted Holidays Scooby-Doo! and the Spooky Scarecrow Scooby-Doo! Mecha Mutt Menace Scooby-Doo! Ghastly Goals Scooby-Doo! and the Beach Beastie Scooby-Doo! and the Loch Ness Monster Aloha, Scooby-Doo! Scooby-Doo! in Where's My Mummy? Scooby-Doo! Pirates Ahoy! Chill Out, Scooby-Doo! Scooby-Doo! and the Goblin King Scooby-Doo! and Kiss: Rock and Roll Mystery Scooby-Doo! Abracadabra-Doo Scooby-Doo! Camp Scare Scooby-Doo! Legend of the Phantosaur Scooby-Doo! Music of the Vampire Big Top Scooby-Doo! Scooby-Doo! Mask of the Blue Falcon Scooby-Doo! Stage Fright Scooby-Doo! WrestleMania Mystery Scooby-Doo! Frankencreepy Scooby-Doo! Moon Monster Madness Scooby-Doo! and WWE: Curse of the Speed Demon Scooby-Doo! Shaggy's Showdown Scooby-Doo! and the Gourmet Ghost Straight Outta Nowhere: Scooby-Doo Meets Courage the Cowardly Dog Scooby-Doo and Krypto, Too! The Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo Show The Richie Rich / Scooby-Doo Show The Scooby & Scrappy-Doo Puppy Hour Scooby-Doo! in Arabian Nights (Shaggy and Scooby are alone, without Daphne. Other non-Daphne films are placed below because they had a darker feel which went with 13 Ghosts and Zombie Island) The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show The New Scooby-Doo Mysteries The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo Scooby-Doo Meets the Boo Brothers Scooby-Doo and the Ghoul School Scooby-Doo! and the Reluctant Werewolf Monster Party (OK K.O.) Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island Scooby-Doo! and the Witch's Ghost Scooby-Doo and the Alien Invaders Scooby-Doo and the Cyber Chase Scooby-Doo! and the Legend of the Vampire (Hex Girls are present, first introduced in Witch's Ghost) Scooby-Doo! and the Samurai Sword (Real monsters are featured, and Velma doesn't seem overly skeptical) What's New, Scooby-Doo? (Hex Girls are present) Separate Canons Scooby's All-Star Laff-A-Lympics Shaggy & Scooby-Doo Get a Clue! Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated Be Cool, Scooby-Doo! "Shaggy Busted" "Scoobynatural" Scooby-Doo: Behind the Scenes (8 shorts) The Scooby-Doo Project Night of the Living Doo Scooby Goes Hollywood Scooby-Doo! Adventures: The Mystery Map Daphne & Velma SCOOB! Trick or Treat, Scooby-Doo! Velma The Flash Canon The Flash Canon represents any episodes that appeared in a clip montage from "The High School Wolfman's Musical Lament." Because The Flash captured the same monsters that the gang had already captured in Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?, "One Minute Mysteries" happened in an alternate canon. Because this episode appeared in the clip montage, this means any other episode that had a clip appear in that montage is also in this canon. Scooby-Doo and Guess Who? 1. Revenge of the Swamp Monster! 2. Peebles' Pet Shop of Terrible Terrors! 3. The Scooby of a Thousand Faces! 4. Quit Clowning! 5. What a Night, for a Dark Knight! 6. The Nightmare Ghost of Psychic U! 7. The Sword, the Fox and the Scooby-Doo! 8. One Minute Mysteries! 9. Hollywood Knights! 10. Fear of the Fire Beast! 11. The Wedding Witch of Wainsly Hall! 12. The Horrible Haunted Hospital of Dr. Phineas Phrag! 13. A Fashion Nightmare! Dynomutt, Dog Wonder Canon: "Everyone Hyde!" "What Now, Lowbrow?" "The Wizard of Ooze" LEGO Canon Lego Scooby-Doo! Knight Time Terror The Lego shorts Lego Scooby-Doo! Haunted Hollywood Lego Scooby-Doo! Blowout Beach Bash Live Action (Era 1) Canon Scooby-Doo {2002 live action} Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed Live Action (Prequel) Canon Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins Scooby-Doo! Curse of the Lake Monster Reboot Canon Scooby-Doo and the Curse of the 13th Ghost Scooby-Doo! Return to Zombie Island Happy Halloween, Scooby-Doo! Scooby-Doo! The Sword and the Scoob (a flashback from Be Cool, Scooby-Doo! is shown; Daphne makes a comment that Fred's dad is mean, which is likely a nod to Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated since Fred's dad is nice in Pirates Ahoy; Daphne also keeps her quirky personality from Happy Halloween) Thanks so much to SDF for working with me on this! It was a lot of fun! :) Let us know what you think of the timeline in the comments!!!
106 Comments
The cop
3/25/2019 11:28:00 am
It was said that mystery incorparated takes place right before where are you and curse of the 13th ghost takes place a couple months after the 13 ghosts of scooby doo 3/25/2019 01:00:51 pm
SDF and I decided that there are too many continuity errors (i.e. the rebooting universe at the end of SDMI, the numerous inconsistencies between the original 13 Ghosts show and the film) to include it in the main canon of the franchise.
The cop
3/29/2019 01:49:43 pm
I am pretty sure samurai sword and what's new would be right before loch ness monster because they all have the what's new scooby doo art 3/30/2019 08:25:53 am
I wish we could do that. Our reasoning for placing WNSD after was in part because of the Hex Girls being in "The Vampire Strikes Back." Witch's Ghost and Legend of the Vampire had to be before WNSD because that's how the gang met the Hex Girls. Additionally, the gang goes to Australia in "Reef Grief," but in Big Top Scooby-Doo, Shaggy comments he had never been to Australia and didn't even know what a kangaroo looked like. Samurai Sword was placed after everything else because real monsters are featured, but Velma doesn't seem overly skeptical (whereas she does in many of the other DTVs).
Timothy Weber
5/2/2019 01:19:55 am
Personally I believe Scoobynatural to be part of Scooby-Doo canon, and to finally solve the biggest question in Scooby history: Should real monsters exist? 5/2/2019 08:13:44 am
This is a really interesting idea, Timothy! Thanks for sharing!
Graham
4/22/2021 11:32:46 pm
I know you posted this a while back, but I have to say I really like that idea!
LordCell
1/29/2023 11:18:04 pm
I am of the same opinion, that Scoobynatural “posthumously” split the canon, leading to the movies where monsters are Real, and into Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated (since some monsters/creatures are real in this Show)
Mahsad
9/19/2019 09:12:56 pm
I think Scooby-Doo and Guess Who? are in the main canon. 9/20/2019 10:55:02 am
Agreed, I don't think we had updated it yet but I will ask SDF to make sure he agrees. Thanks!
Mahsad
9/20/2019 11:23:18 pm
No Prob!
sdf
11/24/2019 07:22:26 pm
Recently i was scoobypedia and specifically the guess who episode pages and there were a lot of continuity errors noticed. These are: 11/25/2019 07:31:01 am
I think yeah, there are things that put it out of canon. The gang also doesn't know Batman in his episode at all. Do you think this puts the whole series out of canon though, or just those specific episodes?
sdf
11/25/2019 08:43:42 am
I belive there's a new continuity the guess who one.
Rhea
12/7/2019 11:47:45 pm
So I have a question... The Boo Brothers movie and the episode the Scoobynatural is based on both feature the uncle Beauregard character dying. How is this explained? Is it a continuity error that he's leaving two different fortunes and dying twice? 12/8/2019 11:37:14 am
Hmm, very interesting point! I've always assumed that the Beauregards were two different people. Scoobynatural was based on the episode "A Night of Fright is No Delight," which says Beauregard is just a person that Scooby rescued from a pond. I believe it's only Boo Brothers that says that Beauregard is Shaggy's uncle, so my explanation would be that it's two different people both named Beauregard.
Rhea
12/9/2019 05:56:48 am
So I thought that too, but their ghost looks the same (or rather, the portrait looks the same in A Night of Fright is No Delight as the ghost in Boo Brothers). It totally tripped me out! (I'm new to scooby, and just started watching, so I caught this and was like "deja vu what" and got so confused.) 12/9/2019 09:03:38 am
Welcome to the Scooby fandom then! Unfortunately, Scooby does tend to re-use their character designs (as does Hanna-Barbera in general), so you'll see a few villains that look similar (i.e. the zombies in "Which Witch is Which?" and "Mamba Wamba and the Voodoo Hoodoo" look the same with the exception of the shirt color).
MasterSolo
2/8/2020 01:21:02 am
Shouldn’t Spooky Scarecrow be before Haunted Holidays, since Halloween comes before Christmas? 2/8/2020 05:24:24 pm
Very good point, MasterSolo! I've switched these around now.
MasterSolo
2/8/2020 06:37:29 pm
Also, how can Witch’s ghost come after Zombie Island, when in Zombie Island Daphne and Fred are already dating, then in Witch’s Ghost, she asks him why he always pairs them together and tries to kiss him for the first time? 2/9/2020 09:35:21 am
Witch's Ghost definitely comes after Zombie Island, because Ben says he read a newspaper which has them solving a mystery with the moat monster from Zombie Island. I don't think Fred and Daphne ever officially confirm that they're dating in the film (in fact Daphne acts defiant against Fred until the end of Zombie Island, saying things like "I can handle myself!"), though there is the little "this is so romantic" comment when they're on the end of the dock. I would say Ben reading the newspaper that has the Moat Monster mystery is more conclusive proof that Zombie Island comes before Witch's Ghost than the romance thing, though you make a good point that it's an odd inconsistency.
Lil_Nathan
9/27/2020 08:44:20 pm
Honestly, I agree with the administrator of this blog, that the canon should be everything that does not interfere with the other content, but I consider that if something damages the rest we should put it aside in another canon as is everything related to Scrappy Doo as it hinders the gang's history.
Lil_Nathan
10/3/2020 08:32:36 pm
I think Scooby Doo the Rock and Roll Mystery has to happen before camp scare and stage fright because that movie breaks all the progress that was Fred and Daphne in Camp scare and Stage Fright developing and demostrating their feelings for each other little by little.
Lil_Nathan
10/3/2020 10:13:48 pm
And In SF Vilma consider that the phantom can be a real ghost when it desapear at the begging of the mystery something very strange in Vilma considering his skepticism in other movies and series. 10/6/2020 10:22:38 am
Sorry for the delayed response. I contacted SDF but never heard back yet (was waiting to hear back to respond). I would agree with this, though I'll wait to see if SDF responds back to change it.
Lil_Nathan
10/6/2020 05:23:36 pm
Perfect, it is a pleasure for me to contribute to your timeline cause the truth is that it enriches the history of scooby and I think that change would help to the history and development of the characters so loved for us
WildwindVampire
10/6/2020 08:28:41 pm
I definitely agree that projects like this enrich Scooby's history and I'm glad I was able to help in creating this timeline :)
Lil_Nathan
10/10/2020 12:58:22 am
SDF already answered you because I would like to know his opinion about it ;) 10/10/2020 04:14:12 pm
I guess I don't really understand what you mean in your comment but SDF did comment again on the blog so I just left a comment in response directing him here.
Sdf
10/10/2020 06:59:47 pm
Lil Nathan has a good point. I think we should change the order. Thanks for the help and forgive me for the late response
Lil_Nathan
10/10/2020 10:11:00 pm
No problem SDF! I really appreciate that you guys change it because I love this franchise and his characters. I’m happy to help ;)
Zach Fisher
3/17/2021 11:18:46 pm
I’m very impressed by this blog, you should create a video!
zach fisher
12/1/2021 11:58:23 am
Anytime!!
Sdf
11/27/2021 08:28:07 pm
I saw the whole guess who series lately and i realised that it has 2 episodes that are direct sequels of TNSSMovies. i m talking about the episodes with Cher and Sandy Duncan. TNSDM and gusess who must co- exist in the same timeline then... The question is are they both canon or not? Can we find explanations about guess who continuity errors or not? What do you think?? 11/28/2021 09:57:39 am
That's a great point! The only things to consider are: Batman is not with Robin in "What a Night, for a Dark Knight!", Velma comments she didn't know Daphne had any uncles (even though they've met many of her uncles in the main continuity).
Sdf
11/28/2021 01:30:21 pm
I guess the Robin issue could be explained. As fo Velma we can't assume she just forgot. I mean it makes sense for Shaggyn not to remember things such as kangaroos and talkimg cars cause he cares more about food than the cases but Velma on the other hand is very serious about the mystery solving (I bet she has a database with all the cases she solved lol) and she wouldn't forget ALL of Daphne's uncles. The only explanation i can give is that the episode happened beofore she had the chance to meet any of the uncles. 11/28/2021 05:34:12 pm
It is confirmed she has a database of all the cases she's solved, in Return to Zombie Island lol. That's a great point that the episodes could be spread throughout the main timeline, and putting them in the main canon doesn't necessarily mean one happened before the other. That is a really sad fact! I think that's an okay assumption to make though, if we're saying the episodes happened randomly throughout the timeline. I'm all for moving Guess Who into the main canon. Do you think we should do it?
Graham
1/4/2022 01:23:07 am
Hi Wildwind. Re TNSDM and Guess Who co-existing in the same timeline; 1/4/2022 12:03:43 pm
Hi Graham! Good to hear from you again. This has been brought up on the other timeline I'm working on with Dallas Kinard, and the two of us decided that the Guess Who episode could have happened before the two New Scooby-Doo Movies episodes, hence why Robin wasn't there. The list above doesn't necessarily need to reflect the order things happened in (since some episodes like the Sandy Duncan and Cher Guess Who ones were clearly sequels, and happened after the New Scooby-Doo Movies episodes), it just reflects that they're in the same continuity.
Graham
1/4/2022 12:31:49 pm
Thanks! I love reading how you guys work this stuff out! Okay, so you're saying that episodes of TNSDM and of Guess Who are interspersed with each other, with some Guess Who episodes taking place before some TNSDM episodes? I hadn't even considered that! (I got the first season of Guess Who for Christmas - guess I know where it goes on the shelf now!) Thanks :) 1/4/2022 10:34:35 pm
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying! :) I think that works best for the continuity, since there were some Guess Who episodes where continuity was followed (the Sandy Duncan and Cher episodes, the Tara Lipinski episode where 13 Ghosts and Flim Flam are vaguely referenced) and others where it wasn't. That's fun you got Guess Who season 1 for Christmas :)
Graham
1/7/2022 12:55:34 am
I'm in the middle of rewatching it now :) Talking of which, I was looking on IMDb, and found this upcoming Guess Who episode listed (under 'unknown season'); 1/7/2022 10:10:48 am
It's definitely not legitimate. Guess Who concluded in June (October in the US) and the showrunners have stated the series is only 2 seasons and 52 episodes. That's actually been there for nearly a year now, so I'm surprised IMDb hasn't taken it down.
Graham
1/7/2022 12:45:13 pm
Shame! Okay, thanks Wildwind.
Sdf
11/29/2021 07:47:59 am
I think we should do this. It makes sense 11/29/2021 08:29:31 am
I just thought of one other thing. We put Batman: The Brave and the Bold in the reboot timeline for the same reason as Guess Who. Do you think that film could be moved into the main canon as well?
Sdf
12/1/2021 11:29:17 am
I don't really remember this one lol. I ll leave it to you! 12/1/2021 02:58:12 pm
I think we can move it to the main canon! I'll do that once I respond to the rest of the comments :)
Graham
11/30/2021 05:29:02 pm
Hi!. Could you folks please help me out with a continuity query? I'd always understood that 13 Ghosts, Boo Brothers, Ghoul School, and Reluctant Werewolf (Shaggy's 'Red Shirt Years') were in continuity with each other. I just watched Ghoul School (for the first time) and was surprised to see Dracula turn up. As I recall, Dracula gives no indication of having met Shaggy before when they meet in Reluctant Werewolf. How does that work? Also, is Vanna Pira from Reluctant Werewolf assumed to be Sibella's (Ghoul School) mother? Thanks in advance. Keep up the fantastic work! 12/1/2021 11:14:32 am
Hi Graham! That's a great point that Dracula doesn't recognize Shaggy. Dracula also looks significantly different in Ghoul School and Reluctant Werewolf. Dracula also appears in the episode "A Halloween Hassle at Dracula's Castle" and he doesn't recognize Shaggy and Scooby from that episode either, and also has a different design. That's admittedly not something I had ever considered...the Universal monsters having multiple different appearances in the instances where they're said to be real. I feel like maybe that would mean those episodes/films would have to be in different canons. I'm not sure, do you have an opinion on that?
Sdf
12/1/2021 11:31:48 am
They could be 3 different monsters
Graham
12/1/2021 11:57:00 am
Hi Whirlwind! Absolutely, if they were guys in masks it wouldn't be a problem! I don't have any problem seeing Halloween Hassle as a different canon, but it seems a shame to split one Red Shirt adventure from the others. But I guess that's the most straight-forward explanation. I see SDF's comment about them being possibly three different monsters (sorry SDF, I see no 'Reply' button for your comment), although I would have thought that by the third time Shaggy would have said something about 'How come there are three Draculas?' 12/1/2021 03:06:52 pm
I'm a bit hesitant to split up the Red Shirt adventures too, but it's also very confusing as to how there could be three Draculas that don't recognize Shaggy and Scooby, and they all have different designs. Actually, come to think of it, all of the Universal monsters appeared in all three of those episodes/films (Frankenstein, the Wolfman, the Mummy) and they looked different in each appearance. Like you, I really don't want to split up the Red Shirt adventures into different canons, so I'll have to think on if there's some to acknowledge the discrepancies without saying they're all in different canons. Any ideas anyone has for this are welcomed, though!
Graham
12/1/2021 09:55:33 pm
Okay. It'll be really interesting to see if you (or anybody else!) comes up with an answer that doesn't require splitting them! Oh, and thanks for the explanation re the 'Reply' button 👍 12/4/2021 12:42:49 pm
I thought of an explanation. It's a bit out there, but in Reluctant Werewolf, the wolfman quits which is what prompts Dracula to turn Shaggy into a wolfman, to replace him. Could we say that the different Draculas, wolfmen, mummies and Frankenstein monsters are because the old ones retired and they chose replacements? Since the gang seem to be relatively the same age, it would mean there's been a lot of turnover in the monster realm for those few years, but it'd still explain why they were different. What do you think?
Graham
12/4/2021 01:50:54 pm
Okay, I guess that could work. And if Halloween Hassle is a different continuity, it would only be one changeover of monsters for the Red Shirt adventures. An as for Shaggy not noticing the changeover in Reluctant Werewolf, maybe he did but he mentioned it offscreen? 12/5/2021 06:17:35 pm
Yeah, I think it's logical that he could have mentioned it off-screen. Great point about the Gill-man, I forgot about him showing up right at the end. For that one, do we know for sure that it wasn't just a generic sea monster in Ghoul School? Or perhaps he's the Creature from the Black Lagoon, which would be different than "A Halloween Hassle at Dracula's Castle"? Do you think it would be easier to split "A Halloween Hassle at Dracula's Castle" into a different canon so there would only be one change-over? I really appreciate all the insightful points you're bringing up! :)
Graham
12/5/2021 10:07:30 pm
Haha, thank you! I don't know about insightful, they're just things that occur to me! :) And I apologise if I raise anything that you've already considered! I guess it could have been a generic sea monster at the end of Ghoul School, I was just going by his looking so much closer to the movie version of the Creature from the Black Lagoon than the one in Halloween Hassle did. Although, if we follow your idea of the monsters retiring/being replaced, that would explain it. 12/6/2021 09:01:45 am
No need to apologize, everything you've raised has been super helpful! Come to think of it, I don't think the Halloween Hassle Gill-man was ever called the Creature from the Black Lagoon, so maybe it was an entirely different monster?
Graham
12/6/2021 11:43:11 am
Okay, well that all looks good to me!👍 Btw, I see you've placed The Sword and the Scoob in the Reboot Canon, with Curse of the 13th Ghost, Return to Zombie Island, and Happy Halloween. I'd assumed it went there, but I wasn't sure. What was it that decided it for you? 12/6/2021 08:18:43 pm
During the sequence when they go back in time, they show a flashback from Be Cool, Scooby-Doo!, which is in a separate canon. Also, Daphne makes a comment at one point that Fred's dad is mean, which is likely a nod to Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated, which is also in a separate canon. We also meet Fred's dad in Pirates Ahoy and he is incredibly nice, which is further evidence that they were referring to the alternate SDMI canon. Since references two things from two different canons, it made most sense to put it in the reboot canon. Daphne also keeps her quirky personality from Happy Halloween, and Sword and the Scoob is very similar in tone to that film, so I thought it would best fit in the reboot canon.
Graham
12/6/2021 09:32:15 pm
Ah, right. I remember those flashes of other continuities. Speaking of which... With how Sword and the Scoob turned out, and what was actually going on, how did those glimpses of the other realities actually happen? 12/7/2021 04:24:40 pm
I honestly hadn't thought of that, but that's such a good point. I've admittedly only seen Sword and the Scoob once, on the day it came out, so it's been a little while. The explanation for how the fake "time travel" was set up was just that it was a simulation, right? I guess you could claim the villain really did her research on the gang, or she hypnotized/tricked them into thinking they saw visions of their past when they really didn't.
Graham
12/8/2021 12:10:52 pm
There are clips from Zombie Island, Mystery Inc, and A Pup Named Scooby-Doo as well. The problem I see with the research and hypnosis theories is it's all - as you say - a simulation (no real magic/time-travel). So, a) how would the villain be able to research the other continuities, and b) how would the gang be able to have visions/memories of the other continuities? I'm stumped! 12/8/2021 02:12:24 pm
Perhaps the villain's hypnosis was so powerful that they were able to see alternate realities of what their lives could have been? Haha that's the only explanation I can really think of, and it's not a good one. I'll have to keep thinking on this, but I'm kind of stumped too at the moment.
Graham
12/8/2021 09:56:28 pm
That would be some powerful hypnosis! :)
Graham
1/10/2022 09:54:36 pm
Hi Wildwind! Can you please help with a query regarding the Guess Who episode One Minute Mysteries? We see the Flash 'help' solve several classic mysteries from SDWAY (inc Miner Forty-Niner, Captain Cutler, the Creeper, Space Kook). If Guess Who is canon with TNSDM, and TNSDM is a continuation of SDWAY, how does that work, given that there was obviously no ssign of Flash's involvement in the original adventures? There was no indication here that these were anything other than the first occasions the gang met these characters, and the locations seemed consistent with SDWAY (e,g, the Creeper story taking place on the farm) as far as I could see. Thanks 1/10/2022 10:24:44 pm
That's such a great point! I'm wondering if maybe it could be possible that just "One Minute Mysteries" is out of canon, but the rest of the series is canon?
Graham
1/10/2022 10:37:09 pm
I'm actually wondering if that is the case! I know Flash can cross timelines/realities, but there's no indication he's done that here. Nor is there any indication he's travelled into the past. The whole thing seems set in the present, with him just deciding to help the gang out with whatever they're currently working on. 1/11/2022 08:07:42 am
Yeah, it definitely seems like he's doing this all in the present, and not crossing timelines/realities. I think it would make sense to have this episode not be canon, but keep the rest of the series as canon, unless you can think of any continuity issues that would be created by doing that!
Graham
1/11/2022 12:41:06 pm
Well, the gang here obviously know who Batman and Joker are, but they could easily have met them in another continuity; Simone (from the earlier episode Quit Clowning) appears as someone arrested by Flash, but I guess she could also exist in another continuity - or just have a doppelganger! The only thing that might cause a problem is that (according to https://hanna-barberawiki.com/wiki/One_Minute_Mysteries!) "scenes from this episode are shown during the first song in "The High School Wolfman's Musical Lament!"; I haven't rewatched that episode yet, but if that is the case then that could affect the canon of that episode too! What do you think? 1/11/2022 11:00:41 pm
I think you're right on Batman, Joker and Simone being able to exist in another continuity. I totally forgot about a couple scenes from that episode showing during the clip show in the first song. That definitely poses an issue. I think the easiest solution would be to move both "One Minute Mysteries" and "The High School Wolfman's Musical Lament" out of the main canon and into their own canon.
Graham
1/12/2022 12:06:17 am
Right. The only thing I'm wondering there is, how many other Guess Who episodes get clips shown in "The High School Wolfman's Musical Lament"? Because they'd need to be moved as well, wouldn't they? 1/12/2022 08:49:14 am
I hadn't even thought of that! You're right we'd also need to move any episode that had a clip shown in "The High School Wolfman's Musical Lament." "A Fashion Nightmare" and "The Horrible Haunted Hospital of Dr. Phineas Phrag" are the two I remember off the top of my head. I'm responding to comments just before I head into work for the morning, so I don't have time to go back and check now, but I will do it tonight and let you know what I find! :)
Graham
1/12/2022 11:42:13 am
Okay! :) 1/12/2022 05:46:20 pm
I just rewatched that part of the episode! It was a bit hard to catch all the scenes, as some of them went by really fast and/or had multiple scenes flashing across the screen at once, but here are all the episodes that appear in that clip montage:
Graham Mullins
1/12/2022 10:49:13 pm
Wow, that is fantastic work! Just a thought, do you think What a Night, for a Dark Knight should be moved as well? In The Sword, the Fox and the Scooby-Doo, Mark Hamill says that he knows who the gang are as they helped Batman rescue Alfred from the Joker.
Graham
1/12/2022 11:03:46 pm
Also, I see that the last two episodes you've listed are from season two of Guess Who (which I haven't seen yet - I'm not sue it's been shown in the UK), so The High School Wolfman's Musical Lament includes clips from adventures yet to happen?? 1/13/2022 03:23:38 pm
Surprisingly, yes! I watched these all as they came out, and a lot of people were very confused as to why random clips we'd never seen at the time were being included. My guess is perhaps those episodes were produced as part of season 1, but didn't air until season 2? 1/13/2022 03:25:10 pm
Sorry for responding out of order, I just noticed your other comment. That's a great point! I think you're right that would take that episode out of continuity as well! I just added that to "The Flash Continuity" list.
Graham
1/13/2022 03:51:21 pm
Great stuff :) I've been thinking about how the original and Flash versions of those SDWAY adventures could have come about. Are you familiar with the DC story 'Flashpoint' (either the comic, or the animated movie)? 1/14/2022 04:19:53 pm
I'm not familiar with either, unfortunately! Have you seen the series or movie?
Graham
1/14/2022 06:51:35 pm
The comic is fantastic, and the animated movie is even better! The reason I mention it is that it gave me an idea... 1/15/2022 12:31:24 pm
Ooh! I love that idea! Do you think there would be any continuity issues with moving those 13 episodes of Guess Who back, or should we do it?
Graham
1/15/2022 06:28:03 pm
I think those 13 episodes would still be okay on their own. Using the Flashpoint analogy again, if Flash goes back and stops himself interfering in the gang's cases, he'd create a second timeline. So BOTH timelines would now co-exist; One Minute Mysteries (where he interferes), and SDWAY (where he doesn't). How do you feel about it? 1/15/2022 06:58:54 pm
Oh, gotcha. I think I see what you're saying now. I had originally thought you meant that this second timeline would completely negate the first, making it so that all episodes of Guess Who were completely canon again. If I'm understanding you right though, you're saying that Guess Who would be canon, but there'd also be this first timeline where The Flash screwed up the SDWAY events. I think both timelines co-existing would work! :) Correct me if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, though!
Graham
1/15/2022 07:37:16 pm
Yes, that's it! So you'd still have the bulk of Guess Who in the Main Canon (along with SDWAY), but the Flash Canon (containing those 13 episodes) would continue to exist alongside it. So they're both there, but now we'd have an explanation as to why both versions of those cases exist without the gang being aware of it :) 1/16/2022 10:26:52 am
Sounds like a perfect explanation to me! Thank you for pointing out the continuity errors with The Flash episode! :)
Graham
1/16/2022 12:24:07 pm
No worries - I'm glad it was of some help! I think you and the contributors here do (Doo?) a fantastic job, especially considering the enormous scope of the material :)
JJ
10/7/2022 01:45:02 pm
Now I love the break down of all things canon and not but I have a big question for y’all! How do y’all feel about the switch to making Velma a lesbian all of sudden because so many purists are truly against it. Me being a big one!
ben
11/9/2022 04:59:57 pm
nobody cares ya homophobe! ;)
Karma
2/12/2023 05:41:40 pm
Just out of curiosity where do you think the 2022 "Trick Or Treat" movie would be placed in the timeline? Because it has so many call backs to the original but at the same time I'm just unsure where it would fit in all of this. 2/12/2023 06:29:54 pm
We decided on it being in a separate canon, just because of the overarching idea of all of the gang's former villains being costumes created by one person, which kind of seems like a retcon. I'm actually really glad you pointed this out, because I added Trick or Treat to the timeline around the time the film came out. However, there has been a weird glitch with this post a few times now where I will try to edit the post, and it will save my edits as a draft rather than publishing the new changes. I fixed it now and it correctly shows the addition of Trick or Treat this time. Thanks for unintentionally bringing that glitch to my attention so I could fix it :) 2/16/2023 11:30:22 pm
Can the Velma show be part of the chart and can it be a separate canon entry to? 2/17/2023 09:46:04 am
I'd forgotten about adding Velma tbh. Yeah, I think it would definitely be a separate canon. I'll add it. Thanks! 2/17/2023 09:53:57 am
Your welcome and can the video games count as there own universe and timeline as well if its alright to mention it to? 2/17/2023 02:06:15 pm
They can, but SDF and I intended this list to be just for the shows, specials and movies. I won't add it to the list, but I would say the video games would be in their own universe if they counted here. 2/27/2023 09:51:48 pm
Also just to ask one last thing since mystery incorporated is listed as its own universe unconnected to the main one I remember someone on discord told me that the creators of mystery incorporated said it was a prequel to the original scooby doo do you have evidence to debunk that claim? 2/28/2023 01:27:42 pm
We placed it in a separate canon since all of the show is technically in a separate timeline (which is explicitly stated in the show), so our thinking was that the timeline changes at the end of SDMI into the main canon. Leave a Reply. |
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