Fun Fact of the Week #410
Mr. Neither joins us again for this week's fun fact to break down the number of plot holes in "Homeward Hound" from What's New, Scooby-Doo?. It makes little sense for Lady Moonbeam to dress up as Scooby, as unless the dognappers somehow came up with their entire plan in a half hour, the gang hadn't decided whether to go to the dog show yet and thus having another dog dress up as Scooby wouldn't make sense. Perhaps if it was Chrissy it would have made sense, since she was already in the dog show. Moreover, when it's discovered Scooby is fake, no attempt was made to unmask him or somehow find its owner. The fake Scooby completely disappears until the unmasking. In addition, the gang wouldn't have known where Scooby might have been, so it seems unlikely that they would have found him so quickly in such a random spot.
7/18/2022 05:17:07 pm
This episode in general is very strange and off in a not so entertaining way, except the plot with the fake Scooby and how Shaggy deals with it, but other than that not really engaging, quite tedious actually. It's the only WNSD episode off the top of my head I just don't enjoy overall. I never go out of my way to watch it. I'm sure there's a few others that are meh, but they don't reach dislike territory for me.
7/18/2022 10:01:12 pm
Yeah, I find this one to be very mid as well. It's not a bad episode by any means, but it's not great by WNSD standards IMO.
7/19/2022 09:47:47 am
The whole premise is decent but the execution is atrocious.
7/19/2022 10:04:59 am
Agreed, the episode feels kind of rushed through and like the plot isn't developed as much as it could have been. I feel like it could have been an interesting direction for the plot to go to have the gang search for the kidnappers/owner of the fake Scooby, and maybe that's how they could have run across Scooby, but instead they just dropped that plotline completely without explanation.
7/19/2022 10:36:48 am
I’d also put it among the worst of the series, but not at the very bottom
7/19/2022 02:39:18 pm
I would say Safari So Goodi would be at the bottom for me, but this one is close.
7/19/2022 03:15:53 pm
The whole concept and plot of Safari So Goodi was good enough to be pretty okay, even if the execution wasn't quite the best it could've been.
7/19/2022 03:42:29 pm
Believe it or not, I used to dislike Safari So Goodi as a kid, but I kinda dig it now, partially thanks to how WEIRD it is. I think the comedy was pretty well executed and the side characters were interesting. If anything, seeing Scooby Of The Jungle from the NSDASDS really made me appreciate the execution here, because it could be SO much worse
7/19/2022 03:49:03 pm
I would say my bottom 5 of the series are
7/19/2022 06:57:05 pm
@Becker I felt the execution of Safari So Goodi was worse than Homeward Hound, but that could be just me.
7/20/2022 12:23:50 am
Yeah, since the last time I spoke of it, Scooby of the Jungle has fallen to being one of the WORST actual mystery episodes ever made in my mind. A lot of it just has to do with this one really creepy detail that I noticed and mentioned this one time that I'm not even willing to bring up again just for how uncomfortable it is. It doesn't help that the episode itself is pretty bad anyway though
7/20/2022 04:02:33 am
The terrible robot cowboy episode. Enough said. That episode is so bad it's off the scale of badness.
7/20/2022 06:50:45 am
Oof, I'm not one for the Go West Young Scoob and Big Appetite in Little Tokyo slander lol, those are 2 of my favorite episodes of this show actually. They're both such crazy ideas, but they work very well for me.
7/20/2022 07:26:32 am
@Matt, I honestly don't remember shit about Scooby of the Jungle, but I get the feeling that's for the best lmao. Also, Recipe for Disaster doesn't really strike me as something so egregious that it's worthy of bottom of the barrel personally. To me it's just a more generic run-of-the-mill WNSD episode, but considering the standards of WNSD, it means it still ends up being pretty decent (I feel the same way about She Sees Sea Monsters by the Sea Shore). Wanted Cheddar Alive is obviously better, but I don't really think Sorcerer Snacks Scare is better.
7/20/2022 12:14:43 pm
@Becker It looks like I agree more with Wildwind’s list than any other one here. Because I cannot, under any circumstances, agree with Farmed and Dangerous being bottom 5. I’d say it is the best episode of the series not named Simple Plan and the Invisible Madman. I don’t even really have a big argument for why other than the fact that it is just really damn good. I also can’t agree with The Unnatural or Riva Ras Regas being anywhere near bottom 5. They are both top 20 of the series for me, I’d say
7/20/2022 12:19:22 pm
@Matt I remember what you said about Scooby of the Jungle on ScoobyAddicts, and yeah, I agree it's super creepy and disturbing. Makes me uncomfortable thinking about it tbh. I hope it was just an animation glitch, but idk.
7/20/2022 12:28:20 pm
@Becker I will say Big Appetite in Little Tokyo has definitely grown on me over the years, and I don't really dislike much about it. It's a bit slow to start in my opinion which is my only real quip with it. I like the novelty of the episode otherwise. I actually like Vampire Strikes Back & Farmed and Dangerous as episodes, I know a lot of people consider the former to be just okay, but I quite like it. The setting and villain of Farmed and Dangerous were genuinely spooky, and of course The Secret Six were really cute lol.
7/20/2022 12:28:52 pm
@Matt I missed your bottom comment when I first responded, but I have a soft spot for Gibby Norton too haha.
7/20/2022 01:52:00 pm
@Matt, sorry man, but I really don't see the magic of Farmed & Dangerous. Considerably more so than Loch Ness Mess, because that episode I still like a lot. Sure, the tractor is cool, but the monster, the Demon Farmer himself, is very generic, uninspired and unmemorable to me. The mystery is forgettable too, doesn't really grab my attention. I'm not usually a fan of farm settings in general. I don't feel the atmosphere except for a couple of moments with the tractor in the night. Even the Scooby getting lost subplot almost manages to be uninteresting, but the underground tunnels save that. Mr B and the Secret Six are just not characters that appeal to me unless they are in a military setting, where they truly shine and I genuinely think they're great. I've tried to understand the appeal of this episode in case I was just oblivious and missing something, but I can't find any explanation as to why it's so good besides statements that it's so good. We all have those kinds of episodes, Farmed & Dangerous is possibly the biggest example for me.
7/20/2022 02:05:34 pm
See that’s the thing: I can’t really make a huge argument because it is one of those episodes where if you don’t care for the basics (villain, setting, etc.) then it probably just won’t stand out. But since I do really like the villain, setting, the tunnels, the creepy night at the farm atmosphere (I also LOVE the Frickert Fracas), it comes together all really, really, really well. And I think a lot of people just feel that way. It isn’t groundbreaking for Scooby Doo in terms of storytelling and episode construction, like say Simple Plan and the Invisible Madman, but is all around a really well put together episode in our view, especially with scenes and an atmosphere that is genuinely creepy at times, which is the reasoning behind it being a fan favorite I guess
7/20/2022 02:20:25 pm
That's fair, I guess the elements don't come together for me. Funny enough, I really like Frickert Fracas, but NOT because of the farm setting, as a main reason at least (but I do prefer the way they use it here more than in Farmed & Dangerous).
7/20/2022 04:15:04 pm
I will admit that the Hex Girls being there boosted the episode even more for me, because I enjoy episodes set in castles and vampires as villains, so this episode had a lot of things going for it. I will agree that the Hex Girls' personalities didn't really shine as much as they could have here, but I'm willing to forgive it. JJ Hakimoto is kinda just there for me, I never found him funny like I think the writers were going for, but I didn't dislike him as a character either.
7/20/2022 04:38:04 pm
It felt like the Hex Girls were kinda tacked onto Vampire Strikes Back, it's like they wanted the Hex Girls to appear in an episode but weren't sure which one, and went with the vampire episode cuz they had just been in a vampire movie (plus with JJ the director in the ep too). That doesn't mean they were bad though, it still worked out fine enough even if a bit forced.
7/20/2022 07:01:12 pm
I never minded JJ Hakimoto myself. I have a nostalgic soft spot for every recurring What’s New character beyond Elliott who is just an obnoxious brat where the episodes are better off without him
7/20/2022 08:07:07 pm
Completely agreed. Elliot always annoyed me too.
7/20/2022 08:19:06 pm
Yeah, even for how much I love Vampire Strikes Back as an episode, I agree with you the Hex Girls did feel a bit forced in.
7/21/2022 03:36:31 am
Honestly I didn't mind Elliott too much, he was just kinda whatever, he filled the asshole role well enough when he appeared and didn't annoy me so much that I wanted him to disappear.
7/21/2022 11:09:19 am
Interesting to see different perspectives. I personally found him far more annoying than JJ Hakimoto, but thankfully his appearances were short.
7/19/2022 10:24:51 pm
To be fully honest I personally don't believe WNSD had any bad qualities I think all the episodes are all good for what they are, in their own way at least.
7/20/2022 12:30:05 pm
I also think it's a solid series with a lot of amazing episodes. There weren't any episodes I hated, I just thought there were a couple that weren't as good as some of the others like "Safari So Goodi!" and "Homeward Hound," but even those are good in their own way.
7/20/2022 03:47:49 am
I have no problems with this episode per se, but I see the issues that other people have pointed out. The whole 101 Dalmatians angle actually makes this episode rather unique in comparison to the rest of the series. I welcome the Secret Six and wish they could be brought back. I love that it brought out a more paternal side to Scooby.
7/20/2022 12:31:14 pm
I liked the Secret Six too! I feel like I've heard one of the creatives involved with WNSD mention there was a spin-off of the Secret Six pitched, but I'm not sure who would have mentioned that or if I'm just misremembering.
7/20/2022 03:48:36 am
On a unrelated note, did "E-Scream" really premiere on Cartoon Network, instead of The WB?
7/20/2022 07:56:49 am
Yes it is true. It aired over a year after episode 41 (Reef Grief). It didn't air during the original run on The WB (idk why), it only aired once the reruns on CN started.
7/20/2022 12:33:14 pm
I've always found that odd, not only that they aired it on a different network, but that it actually was put out on DVD before it aired on TV. It's so strange they'd just delay that episode so long. That was a few years before I became a part of the online fandom, but knowing how frustrating it was waiting for those last few episodes of BCSD and Guess Who, that had to have been so frustrating to be waiting over a year for just one single episode!
7/20/2022 04:16:51 am
5. New Mexico, Old Monster - Just a bit of a strange episode for me and makes little sense.
7/20/2022 08:00:57 am
I assume Homeward Hound and Go West, Young Scoob were supposed to be #2 and #1, and not going backwards? I definitely understand your #2, #4 and #5 picks, but I really struggle with #1 and #3. But hey, we all have different opinions.
7/20/2022 09:22:39 am
Yep, I can't count.
7/20/2022 09:27:05 am
1 literally makes me fall asleep, it literally feels like 20 minutes of nothing. As for 3, a jealous cow builds some robots and borrows the schools movie projector, there, saved you twenty minutes. My opinion really is a divisive one but Scooby Doo Halloween is truly a terrible episode, one of those, that like Homeward Hound, promises so much and ends up falling flat. Needed a plot similar to the cornfield clem special.
7/20/2022 12:13:10 pm
Those episodes were so bad that he didn't want to disgrace the numbers 1 and 2 by picking choices for them, so he had to reuse 4 and 5 lol. I definitely don't agree with what you said about The Unnatural, Go West Young Scoob or especially Scooby-Doo Halloween. In fact, I'd say Scooby-Doo Halloween was far better than Spooky Scarecrow, which came off kind of rushed and unmemorable to me. I agree with New Mexico Old Monster being a bit of a weaker episode, but I do appreciate it for its uniqueness. In
7/20/2022 01:53:28 pm
I agree with Wildwind
7/20/2022 04:02:38 pm
I don't know why there was an extra "In" at the end of my last comment. I wasn't going to say anything else so I'm not sure how that got there lol.
7/21/2022 08:48:34 am
Unnatural might be a little harsh but there are so many baseball episodes and they grow tiresome after a while. The overall episode wasn't bad just done before. As for the Go west and Halloween my opinion, I felt they both lacked any real twists or plot that made you go, woah, didn't expect that.
7/21/2022 11:16:29 am
Fair enough, I can't say I agree although Go West Young Scoob was a bit lower on my list because I felt it moved a little slower. It's a fun novelty episode though IMO.
7/20/2022 12:18:35 pm
I agree that New Mexico Old Monster is strange, but I kinda like how strange it is even if it is below average for me
7/20/2022 12:34:59 pm
Me too, part of the charm of New Mexico Old Monster is that it's such a unique plot IMO.
7/20/2022 05:05:38 am
WNSD brings nostalgic feelings
7/20/2022 02:10:56 pm
Well, I’ll focus on the positives now and shares my favorites of What’s New, since we’ve talked so much about the worst lol
7/20/2022 02:46:54 pm
I was waiting for something like this lol, here's mine:
7/20/2022 04:01:54 pm
I'll just post my whole list since I made one for ScoobyAddicts and it's only slightly adapted since last year.
7/20/2022 04:51:26 pm
The fact that somehow our #18 out of all places is the same is funny lol, and it seems like at least we all agree on #1.
7/20/2022 08:07:34 pm
Interesting lol, I hadn't noticed that!
7/20/2022 06:24:46 pm
@Becker- Oh I do love it, I just love those top ten even more lol
7/20/2022 06:59:59 pm
This was supposed to be in the above chain but oh well lol
7/20/2022 08:08:19 pm
Nice list! Seems like we placed a good amount of the episodes similarly.
7/21/2022 03:32:32 am
I'll put the whole list here with tiers too:
7/21/2022 03:43:14 am
If there's 2 things we all agree on they're that Simple Plan is #1 and Homeward Hound is 40-range lol.
7/21/2022 10:57:10 am
Nice list! I'm a little surprised to see The Unnatural so low, but otherwise it looks like we at least have some similar rankings.
7/21/2022 11:46:50 am
So I did an average ranking of the complete lists shared here (because I’m bored lol) and this is what we got. Was gonna include Mr Neither’s bottom 5 as well, but wanted all episodes to have the same amount of entries being measured
7/21/2022 12:04:16 pm
Oh man, I really did my best to keep Go West and Little Tokyo out of the 30-range lmao.
7/21/2022 12:57:42 pm
Wow, thank you so much for compiling this! It's really interesting to see how huge of a difference the first few episodes and the last few episodes have. Interesting "Gold Paw" got ranked similarly in all of our lists, that's kind of an obscure episode to have that happen with given it fell squarely in the middle.
7/21/2022 01:42:40 pm
Gold Paw shouldn't be obscure, it's quite a gem, really great plot, humor, setting, utilization of the Secret Six and Mr B, and absolutely incredible monster.
7/21/2022 08:43:22 pm
Let's just say, Fright House of a Light House and a few others were very nice in terms of not even having to do the average processes, just quick math LOL
7/21/2022 10:34:11 pm
Agreed, it's such a fun episode!
7/22/2022 04:58:30 am
I check the site usually once a day, I'll mess up your list and do my own one shortly, LOL!
7/21/2022 10:00:59 am
Do you think Meadow was based on Barbra Streisand? She just looks like she was based on a celebrity, and the one that comes to mind is Barbra Streisand.
7/21/2022 11:14:18 am
I hadn't thought about it before, but I think it's definitely possible! They definitely look very visually similar.
7/22/2022 08:15:52 am
Rushing this a little as have to get to work but here's my adapted list after consideration from top to bottom
7/22/2022 09:02:36 am
I'm surprised to see "Gentlemen, Start Your Monsters" and "Ready to Scare" so low on your list! What did you dislike about those?
7/22/2022 06:03:28 pm
Gentleman Start Your Monsters I haven't seen in ages but from I remember I disliked the whole thing, probably to do with how the villain was yet another robot and that meant a real lack of traditional Scooby elements, like there was no real villain to pounce on Shaggy and Scooby etc. As for Ready to Scare, way to many stereotypes, from the monster to Sonny, to the frankly daft plot. One to forget for me.
7/22/2022 09:04:54 pm
Eh, fair enough. I'm not sure if I would have liked "Gentlemen, Start Your Monsters!" as much if it were just a monster truck, but the fact that there was a skeleton driver made it work for me.
7/22/2022 09:19:59 am
You're missing Homeward Hound and Go West Young Scoob, I assume those are still the bottom 2, right?
7/22/2022 11:07:41 am
Maybe he considered them to be so atrociously bad that he couldn't even justify including them in the list lol.
7/22/2022 02:32:16 pm
Ouch! Lol, I just can't really get how Go West Young Scoob is boring when it's so wack. To me there's a trifecta of zaniness of WNSD episodes – Fast and Wormious, Go West, Little Tokyo – that are just the perfect type of crazy, goofy and strange for my taste to work beautifully. They're pretty bonkers but also incredibly fun and entertaining imo, as clearly evidenced by my ranking lol. I can't really make a great argument that they are "better" episodes than something like It's Mean It's Green or Scooby Valentine for example, but I just enjoy them so much.
7/22/2022 05:39:44 pm
Apologies, as stated was rushing a little and hadn't realised the list went of the page, 41 Homeward Hound, 42. Go West Young Scoob.
7/22/2022 09:00:45 pm
Although it's low, I definitely appreciate Little Tokyo for its zaniness. "The Fast and the Wormious" is a blast too.
7/22/2022 10:29:39 am
I will adjust the list sometime today, but, it appears Simple Plan and Valentine are still very safe in their top 2 positions.
7/22/2022 05:59:06 pm
E-Scream I just hated the ending and how easy it was to figure out.
7/22/2022 09:01:29 pm
I really liked "E-Scream" even if you could kind of figure out the ending as it got zanier and zanier.
7/22/2022 03:07:06 pm
The new averages
7/22/2022 03:10:13 pm
Both Simple Plan and the Invisible Madman's and Homeward Hound's averages are still astounding. Even if 4 lists aren't that many, that is an unbelievable almost consensus here
7/22/2022 06:04:44 pm
See, my ratings weren't all that bad!
7/22/2022 09:03:22 pm
Interesting that Camp's average is its episode number haha. "Gold Paw" certainly made a huge leap with Mr. Neither's list. Up 10 spots!
7/23/2022 02:17:04 am
Fright House of a Lighthouse out here just being Mr Consistent, #15, #16, #16, #17.
7/23/2022 02:33:14 am
You know that there's a LOT of different opinions and varying thoughts between the lists when an episode that didn't get in the top 14 once ends up in the top 10 on average lmao. It's a great episode, so no problem for me. Tied with Scooby-Doo Christmas, which I very much helped get up there lol. It being above Scooby-Doo Halloween is not something even I would've expected.
7/23/2022 09:06:11 am
I love "Gold Paw" too, but yeah, I'm really surprised that made it into the top 10 when not one of us had it in our top 10s.
7/23/2022 09:18:39 am
I love Gold Paw for it's uniqueness in terms of villain, that's why it was so high on mine. Fair plot to!
7/23/2022 10:05:26 am
@Wildwind, actually Mr Samuel Neither had it in the top 10 lol
7/23/2022 10:36:10 am
Oops, didn't notice that. Still surprising Mr. Neither's ranking raised the average so much when Becker, Matt and I didn't have it in the top 10 in our lists!
7/23/2022 10:37:17 am
@Mr. Neither Even though it wasn't in my top 10, I also loved how unique the villain was, and the plot was really well-executed.
7/23/2022 10:46:36 am
Yeah episodes like Gold Paw and Fright House of a Lighthouse got top ten this time for consistency. A lot of episodes us 3 had higher and were in the top ten before (Large Dragon At Large, A Scooby Doo Halloween, etc.) Got a really LOW placement in the new list which added a lot of points to the average
7/22/2022 05:57:52 pm
To be fair, there are a few outliers but most of mine are similar. Simply put, I hate cop outs and poor endings which is the main reason for a lot of the outliers. Hey the house has gone nuts let's ignore her and cause her to short out, oh no robots gone loco because scientist dude pushed boundaries to much... you get the gist.
7/22/2022 07:45:19 pm
It wasn't a complete 180 on the previous list at all, but I noticed a lot of episodes having some BIG changes in averages lol
7/23/2022 02:27:13 am
I didn't think they were cop-outs personally, I also have no issue with robotic villains. But I get your perspectives.
7/23/2022 09:20:08 am
Overall it's very interesting to see people's different views on the series!
7/23/2022 10:34:15 am
7/23/2022 02:24:47 am
I gotta admire how, no matter what, Homeward Hound still ends up being ass-last. And Simple Plan always maintains a huge lead in front. Gold Paw coming in hot in that top 10 now, I'm surprised and happy to see that. Metallic Clown and Wrestle Maniacs needed some love in this average too tbf, and they received it.
7/23/2022 09:07:27 am
"Ass-last" is an interesting phrase haha. But yeah, crazy how it continues to be last after four different lists!
7/23/2022 09:24:12 am
Well No, the clown kinda ate Cougar Forest. That bit always gets me. Shocked how low it is, it's a great episode in my book. As for Wrestle Maniacs, unique villain, intriguing plot and a good mystery overall.
7/23/2022 10:11:16 am
Agreed about Wrestle Maniacs, it's a pretty great episode. I wasn't big on the personality switch in Metallic Clown though, at least they executed it.
7/23/2022 10:17:24 am
At least the way they executed it*
7/23/2022 10:33:51 am
I always appreciated Metallic Clown personally. It was a fun novelty episode and I thought the personality switches were interesting.
7/23/2022 10:51:52 am
For Wrestle Maniacs, I always felt it was decent but not great, which pretty much means a placement in the thirties for this series. I absolutely LOVED the setting and how well it was done, the villain was interesting, but I was always underwhelmed by the plot itself and the mystery
7/23/2022 11:04:09 am
@Matt, agreed about Metallic Clown, the rest of the episode without the novelty side of it is better. As far as Camp Longassname, it barely even felt like much of a novelty episode aside from the absence of Fred, Velma and Daphne.
7/23/2022 10:38:49 pm
I agree with you both on Wrestle Maniacs. With the other two, I personally just found the plots interesting, and I thought they executed two very different plots for the series quite well. I've already given my thoughts on Metallic Clown, but with Camp, I would say it felt like a novelty to me since it had Shaggy and Scooby in leadership roles, whereas they usually take on follower roles and let the rest of the gang make the decisions. It was interesting to see their characters develop a bit in that way, but maybe that's just me.
7/24/2022 04:08:54 am
For me the Wrestle Maniacs mystery had good morales and still better than numerous others!
7/24/2022 10:50:41 am
This isn’t like unforgivable or anything (looking at YOU Roller Ghoster Ride!) , but it bothers me how the kids in Wrestle Maniacs literally attempted murder on Shaggy and Scooby in the trailer and then the episode acted like they didn’t go too far at all and didn’t do anything illegal
7/24/2022 05:39:22 pm
That always really bothered me too! I can't believe something of that nature happened multiple times in this series, where something obviously illegal and deadly was shrugged off as "totally fine." In terms of "Roller Ghoster Ride," she should have at least gotten a better punishment than "I'm telling mom!" lol. It makes me appreciate that he wanted to make sure everybody was okay in "Lights! Camera! Mayhem!".
7/25/2022 03:48:45 am
That's the thing that keeps Roller Ghoster Ride outside of the Awesome Tier for me. Incredibly stupid and illogical moment.
7/22/2022 09:07:36 pm
7/22/2022 11:20:00 pm
The Secret Six are indeed adorable! I agree that the Cat Creature was a good villain, and that the ending was cute. I've always found the Scooby-Dee reference interesting. As I mentioned above, it's definitely one of my least favorite WNSD episodes, but it's not bad by any means. The plot is just not quite as solid as some of the other episodes, which goes to show how amazing and consistent this series is.
7/23/2022 04:01:54 pm
I think the same thing about Big Appetite in Little Tokyo. The villain must have really fast costume making skills to make the shaggy suit for the robot that night
7/23/2022 10:35:44 pm
Given he'd just met Shaggy earlier that day, no kidding lol. He must know a good 30-foot-costume making guy haha.
7/24/2022 04:13:53 am
I just imagine the Professor frantically repainting his 50 foot robot last minute or maybe he got lucky and "The attack of the 30ft Hippy was the latest Japenease Monster Movie blockbuster.
7/24/2022 07:22:25 am
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