Weekly Poll #117

2/20/2022

Here are the results for last week's poll! The result was very fitting given when the question was asked.
What is your favorite What's New, Scooby-Doo holiday special?
A Scooby-Doo Valentine - 37
A Scooby-Doo Halloween - 32
A Scooby-Doo Christmas - 18

66 Comments

Carson Maitland - Smith link

2/20/2022 08:38:47 am

Both 🤎💚🧡💜💙

Samuel Kirkwood

2/20/2022 11:48:41 am

Not a great set of villains in this series as a whole, I'd go season 2 overall.

WildwindVampire link

2/20/2022 08:22:32 pm

There are so many villains in this series, but many of them just show up for a few seconds. Some of the ones that just make cameos were some of the best ones IMO, whereas there were some really dumb ones that got full appearances (the Windmakers, the Masked Men, to an extent the Djinn) which is unfortunate in my opinion.

Jacob Staggs

2/20/2022 12:03:18 pm

Definitely season 2 for me. Most of the villains in Season 1 were unmemorable to me.

WildwindVampire link

2/20/2022 08:50:57 pm

Agreed. Here's my list for season 1:
Incredible - Revolutionary Ghosts

Great - Sea Monster, Fearsome Phantom Fountain, Joker and Penguin's Ghost (just because it was funny), Troll, Dryad, Haunted Horseman of Hagglethorn Hall, Ghost of Bigfoot, 3-Eyed Ghost, Lady Ghost, Giant, Headless Horsemen of Sleepy Hollow, Skeleton Carriage Driver, El Pescado Diabolico, Ghosts of Captain Moody, Joker and Penguin

Good - Moat Monster, Redbeard and crew, Ghost of the Red Baron, Dragon, Mr. Hyde, Scarecrow, Vulture, Hooded Figure

Bad - "The Phantom," Viking, Davy Crocket, Brontosaurus, Red-Eyed Vulture, Freaky Sheik, Bear, Ghost, Lion, Mummy, Pirates, Chief Blood-in-the-Eye, Masked Men, Gunslinger, Cactus, Indian

Why Bother Trying: Skeleton

Samuel Kirkwood

2/21/2022 03:12:34 am

I can't be fussed to go through them all but do feel Redbeard and his crew deserve to go in the why bother trying category.

WildwindVampire link

2/21/2022 08:48:12 am

Fair point lol. I mainly put them in the "good" category due to liking the original Redbeard design, but this one wasn't good. It wasn't as horrendously bad as the skeleton, where you can literally see the outline of the bone suit making it comical.

Matt

2/21/2022 11:00:30 am

This is gonna be difficult, but let's do this

Incredible: Revolutionary Ghosts, Ghosts of Captain Moody

Great: Sea Serpent, Troll, Dryad, Haunted Horseman of Hagglethorn Hall, Ghost of Bigfoot, El Pescado Diabolico, Ghost of the Red Baron, Scarecrow, Moat Monsters, Hooded Figure

Hilarious: Joker and Penguin's Ghost, Joker and Penguin's Skeletons, "Fearsome Phantom Fountain", Possessed Davy Crockett Mannequin, Possessed Viking Mannequin, Cactus

Neutral: The projection squad (3 Eyed Ghost, Lady Ghost, Giant, Headless Horseman of Sleepy Hollow, Skeleton Carriage Driver), Mr Hyde

Bad: Brontosaurus (the lone exception to the projection squad), Vulture, Bear, Ghost, Lion, Mummy, Freaky Sheik, Pirates, Chief Blood-in-the-Eye, Masked Men, Gunslinger, Indian

Why bother trying: Spooky Fog Skeleton, A poor man's Redbeard and crew

A lot of agreements here. Most of my bad are just the ones from Sandy Duncan's Jekyll and Hyde that are barely existent lol

WildwindVampire link

2/21/2022 06:42:20 pm

It was indeed quite difficult to go through them all and took me about 15 minutes last night lol. I would say I agree with your opinions for the most part! I agree with your hilarious category. I would have liked to see more of the Fearsome Phantom Fountain tbh because it was pretty funny haha. I actually quite liked the ghostly projections from "The Spooky Fog" and think they would have been cool as main villains. Redbeard and his crew weren't as bad as the skeleton to me, but they weren't amazing. I guess I based my "good" ranking on liking the original design.

WildwindVampire link

5/21/2022 04:49:10 pm

Average: 2.05

Matt

2/20/2022 12:06:46 pm

I’m with the others that villains are not this season’s strong suit. However, I will go with season 1 because unlike season 2, it had a few episodes with some strong villains. In particular The Loch Ness Mess with the Minuteman Ghost and the others being pretty strong. So that seems to be my go-to episode for NSDMovies praise lol

WildwindVampire link

2/20/2022 08:23:25 pm

I agree with you and season 1 was ultimately my choice as well. The Minuteman Ghost was top notch and should have appeared more than twice IMO. He's pretty terrifying in his first appearance.

Jacob Staggs

2/20/2022 02:03:11 pm

Season 2 Villains
Great- Three Hooded Ghosts, Apparitions of Haunted Island, Ghost of Injun Joe, Evil Djinn, Uncle Abdullah, Exterminator creatures, Ghostly Strongman, Green Globs
Ok - Winemakers
Bad - Ghost of Captain Scavenger, The Spirit of Fireball McFain

WildwindVampire link

2/20/2022 08:43:39 pm

"The Winemakers" would certainly be an interesting Scooby-Doo villain haha.

Great - Knight, Living Statues, Window Phantom, Spirit of Fireball McFain, Cat Creature, Ghost Picture, Frankenstein, Creepy Man, Bird, Other Exterminator, Ghostly Man, Werewolf, Invisible Couple, Sea Monster, Ghost Racer, Camera Ghost

Good - Captain Scavenger, Green Globs, Ghost Strongman, Ghost Arm

Bad - Bedsheet Ghost, Glowing Sheet Ghost, Ghost of Injun Joe, Djinn, Abdullah, Hotel Ghost, Windmakers, Roller Coaster Ghost,

Matt

2/21/2022 03:01:02 pm

If they had ghostly winemakers, season 2 would've won hands down LOL

I don't even know if I would be able to rank through all of these without doing a rewatch of The Exterminator and Mystery of Haunted Island to figure out what is supposed to be what, considering the Wiki isn't as helpful in this regard for season 2

My main disagreement is that the Roller Coaster Ghost would be higher because that scene was hilarious lol

WildwindVampire link

2/21/2022 06:45:52 pm

Ghostly winemakers would be awesome lol. The Roller Coaster Ghost scene itself was hilarious, but the design was pretty dumb lol.

If it's helpful, you can look at the episode guide I have on the site. All the villains are listed in order corresponding to their villain pictures. https://scoobysnaxepguides.weebly.com/the-new-scooby-doo-movies.html

Matt

2/21/2022 10:06:31 pm

You know… I am a little disappointed in myself that I didn’t even look on the website that I am already on that is more helpful than the Wiki in just about every way LOL. Just one of those days I guess

Great: Fireball McFain, Other Exterminator

Good: Ghost of Injun Joe (Loved his personality. Would be great if he had about any other name/design), Captain Scavenger, Knight, Window Phantom, Ghost Statues, Cat Creature, Ghost Picture, Frankenstein, Creepy Dude, Bird, Ghostly Man, Werewolf, Invisible Couple, Sea Monster, Green Globs, Ghostly Strongman, Ghost Arm, Ghost Racer, Camera Ghost

Hilarious: Roller Coaster Ghost (both as a scene and the non-design lol)

Bad: Windmakers

Why bother trying: Bedsheet Ghost, Ghost

BAD: Djinn, Abdullah, Persia Ghost

WildwindVampire link

2/21/2022 10:22:53 pm

I will say it was cool the glowing sheet ghost could disappear into thin air, but that's about all it had going for it. My nostalgia for that episode raised them up just a notch where I didn't make a "why bother trying" category for them. I personally find the skeleton more hilariously bad than those two, particularly during his first appearance when he's walking through the cemetery in the most uncreepy way possible. It just looks like he's out for his evening stroll or something lol.

Matt

2/22/2022 11:53:11 am

Fair enough. Honestly, you make a pretty good point about the Skeleton. Not only is the costume bad, but he literally is not trying with his actions either lol

WildwindVampire link

5/21/2022 04:51:34 pm

Average: 2.21

John locke

2/20/2022 02:51:08 pm

*quietly goes to google cause the seasons have been in volumes for so long to him he doesn't remember which episode is from what season anymore*

John Locke

2/20/2022 02:52:17 pm

Went for season 1 for not having the Evil Djinn, which I don't hate but it really doesn't feel like a scooby doo episode...

WildwindVampire link

2/20/2022 08:24:36 pm

Haha that's fair. "Mystery in Persia" is my least favorite from the series as well. It felt more like a Jeannie episode than a Scooby episode IMO.

John Locke

2/20/2022 11:48:07 pm

Well you are also pitting a 15 episode season against an 8 one, it would be tough for season 2 to beat season 1

Samuel Kirkwood

2/21/2022 03:24:36 am

John Locke, sometimes more is not always better. Have you actually seen how bad some of the villains are in season one. From the Joker and the Penguin dressing up in Halloween skeleton costumes, to reusing villains with a dab of white paint that they then had left over and threw over the worst Bigfoot costume imaginable, a scarecrow, a ghost dressed for a rainy day, goodness knows what in the Phyllis Diller episode, another skeleton. In the end there were so many bad ones for me that even though season 2 was probably worse by that point I'd decided that it had already won by default. And the evil Djinn isn't that bad.

WildwindVampire link

2/21/2022 08:46:31 am

Season 1 is actually 16 episodes but your point still stands. Personally, I divided it up by calculating the percentages and season 1 had a bigger ratio of villains that I liked. This series did not do well with the skeleton costumes though lol. The outline of the suit is so obvious that it's ridiculous. Same goes for the skeleton in "The Spooky Fog." Some of those villains you listed I admittedly do kinda like, like the "ghost dressed for a rainy day," but that's mainly due to nostalgia lol. The scarecrow and Bigfoot kinda have the comedy appeal going for them too. For the Djinn, I didn't hate him as much as John Locke did to the point of it tanking the rest of the season, but it's one of my least favorite villains of the series. It just didn't feel like a Scooby-Doo villain to me.

Becker

2/21/2022 09:17:24 am

The Skeleton Men in Bermuda Triangle are probably my favorite skeletons in the franchise, because they have a very unique and different design compared to your typical skeleton, and they also are some of the very few monsters in classic Scooby that don't adhere to Scooby costume/mask magic, which I always thought was an interesting choice on the production team's part with that episode.

John Locke

2/21/2022 10:33:36 am

Samuel Kirkwood, WildindVampire, I never said I hated the Djinn, I said he didn't fit in scooby doo, I actually kinda enjoy the episode (and all episodes, so much so I got yelled at for saying that I thought Guess Who needed to be a similar format of hour long episodes :P) The reason he tanked the season was a) he didn't fit, b) the rest of the episodes from season 1 I liked more.

Matt

2/21/2022 10:38:01 am

Man, I actually LOVED the Ghosts of Captain Moody. And I also liked Bigfoot and the Scarecrow

I wouldn't say season 1 was a great season for villains, but I would say season 2 is even lower in that regard for me

As for the skeletons debate, I actually put the Joker and Penguin's skeletons in the hilarious category. Along with some other ones like the Joker and Penguin ghost, the possessed Davy Crockett Mannequin, the possessed Viking Mannequin, and so on. But I would put The Spooky Fog's skeleton among the worst of the series. The best skeleton (if you can count it as such because he is wearing a suit lol) in my opinion is the Space Kook lol

Samuel Kirkwood

2/21/2022 11:57:23 am

I never stated you hated it John Locke. Wildwind, I'd actually go as far as saying the Fricket Fracas is the worst episode of the New Scooby Doo Movies. Lame villain, guest star doesn't click, uninteresting location and plot. Matt, what annoyed me about the Captain Moody Ghosts was, why were there two and the fact they seemed to go from one minute being invisible and the next real beings.

Matt

2/21/2022 12:54:24 pm

You do have a valid point with that one, actually. It never bothered me personally (mainly because it also happened with my favorite of the series, the Minuteman Ghost in The Loch Ness Mess as well as the Haunted Horseman of Hagglethorn Hall iirc) but they did have some disconnect there

And I gotta say that I completely disagree about The Frickert Fracas as well. Especially because I love Jonathan Winters’s interactions with the gang in the episode. One of my favorite guest stars actually. Interesting to see differing opinions

WildwindVampire link

2/21/2022 10:15:50 pm

Lots of comments here to catch up on! I'll respond to them in order.

@Becker I'm fond of the skeleton men's design as well. Although it was the same type of cheesy suit, their unique design made it a lot better for me.

@John Locke Ah okay, that makes sense. I didn't like the djinn episode as a whole tbh. It just felt weak and more like a Jeannie episode. I think Guess Who being an hourlong format would work, but they'd also need to improve the writing. The writing wasn't as good as it was here arguably, at least in my opinion.

@Matt I'd say all of those fit in the hilarious category. I'd consider the Space Kook a skeleton! He can be both an alien and a skeleton IMO.

@Samuel Kirkwood I kinda like "The Frickert Fracas." The scarecrow is kinda corny, but I enjoy the plot. The location was interesting to me as well. I like Jonathan Winters as a guest star too. I can guarantee you're not alone in hating the episode though. Amelia from the Scooby Dos or Scooby Don'ts podcast has a whole part of an episode dedicated to a rant on Jonathan Winter's several minutes of "mouth sounds" haha.

@Sam & Matt As for the Captain Moody argument, I guess it is a little silly there are two, but I love that episode so much I can look past it.

Matt

2/22/2022 07:33:16 pm

I also look pasted it in that one, Wildwind. Especially because I still love the design in the first place. To the point where I wish there was more time in the episode so I could see more of the ghosts!

Matt

2/22/2022 07:33:45 pm

*past

WildwindVampire link

2/22/2022 08:46:07 pm

Me too! It was a bummer that the ghosts didn't show up until 25 minutes into the episode. The Don Knotts antics at the beginning were still good, though!

Sdf

2/20/2022 06:27:32 pm

I love these series but i have to admit that most of the villains are kinda forgettable. I will vote s01 cause loch ness mess is one of my favourite episodes ever and the villains are iconic.

WildwindVampire link

2/20/2022 08:51:36 pm

Agreed, they are hands-down the best villains of this series IMO!

Jacob Staggs

2/20/2022 09:01:29 pm

The only villains I really like in season 1 are Fearsome Phantom Fountain, the Scarecrow, Joker and Penguin, Ghost of Bigfoot, Moat Monster, and the Cactus

WildwindVampire link

2/21/2022 08:43:31 am

The Fearsome Phantom Fountain was fun! I don't think they could have stretched it into making that the main villain, but it would have been cool if it appeared more.

Becker

2/21/2022 01:55:20 am

Not a great display of villains in either season, but most of memorable ones are from season 1, like the cactus lmao

WildwindVampire link

2/21/2022 08:42:45 am

Many of the memorable ones from season 1 were the ridiculously stupid ones, like the cactus and skeleton lol.

Becker

2/21/2022 09:18:38 am

I also have a soft spot for the Bigfoot from season 1 lol

John Locke

2/21/2022 03:39:41 pm

Becker, The Bigfoot one is one of my favorite episodes!

WildwindVampire link

2/21/2022 05:47:47 pm

I love the Bigfoot episode too! The wintery atmosphere of the episode is amazing, and while Bigfoot's design is pretty silly-looking, I also kind of have a soft spot for him haha. I like Laurel and Hardy as guest stars as well.

Becker

2/22/2022 12:03:03 am

The Bigfoot episode is top 3 NSDMo material

WildwindVampire link

2/22/2022 09:01:18 am

I wouldn't say it's quite that high for me, but definitely top 10!

Samuel Kirkwood

2/22/2022 09:26:56 am

Laurel and Hardy were very good guest stars!

Matt

2/22/2022 11:54:39 am

@Becker: I agree. Ghost of Bigfoot makes my top 3 with The Loch Ness Mess and The Dynamic Scooby Doo Affair which are all among my all time favorite episodes

WildwindVampire link

2/22/2022 03:43:30 pm

I would have to say my top 3 of the series are "The Loch Ness Mess," "The Mystery of Haunted Island" and "Guess Who's Knott Coming to Dinner?" All three of those are among my favorite Scooby episodes of the fracnhise.

Samuel Kirkwood

2/23/2022 10:13:56 am

Interesting. My top three would be Mystery of Haunted Island, the Haunted Candy Factory and the Haunted Carnival. Notable mentions Wednesday is Missing and The Dynamic Scooby Doo affair.

WildwindVampire link

2/23/2022 02:13:23 pm

I quite enjoy all the episodes you listed as well with the exception of "The Haunted Candy Factory." The weight jokes were over-the-top and constant. It's also quite eerie to hear those jokes now given Cass committed suicide a year after this episode due to self-esteem issues with her weight.

Matt

2/23/2022 04:57:55 pm

I also am not a fan of the weight jokes, but I believe that Cass Elliot passed away from a heart attack. Still, the jokes were really unnecessary in the first place

WildwindVampire link

2/23/2022 09:40:40 pm

Oh, I'm so sorry! I looked it up and you're right. Thank you for pointing that out. I have no idea why I thought that. Doing a bit of research, it looks like it's an urban legend that Cass died of a food related issue, which must have been what I was thinking of, but apparently that's just another weight joke people have made about her after her death. It's really sad and unnecessary IMO.

Matt

2/23/2022 11:42:24 pm

Yeah, it is a pretty deplorable thing to do to make a weight joke at the expense of someone who died, especially that young

Samuel Kirkwood

2/24/2022 07:55:54 am

To me its still a good episode and the globs are so silly you just have to love them. I also don't feel the episode should be shunned because of the jokes. Cass would almost certainly be happy to be immortalised in cartoon and remembered because of her time on Scooby Doo.

WildwindVampire

2/24/2022 10:13:39 am

Oh no, I'm not saying we should shun the episode because of the jokes. The New Scooby-Doo Movies is a series I have a lot of nostalgia around due to watching them when I was younger, so most of the episodes are top-tier and it's difficult to pick episodes I don't like. The constant weight jokes annoyed me because they were every few minutes of the episode, so compared to most other episodes, I don't like this one as much for that reason. It still has a lot of fun aspects to it like the candy factory setting and the green globs, but the weight jokes bring it down for me because they're annoying.

Samuel Kirkwood

2/25/2022 06:18:33 am

Wildwind fair enough, although that's kind of a sign of the times, said jokes almost certainly wouldn't be accepted nowadays.

WildwindVampire link

2/25/2022 09:19:28 am

Very true. A lot of the jokes wouldn't be acceptable nowdays, like Fred's jokes about women in "Ghastly Ghost Town" or telling the girls they had to stay behind because it was too dangerous in "The Ghost of Bigfoot."

Shadowscooby

2/22/2022 05:03:01 am

Season 1
Robot Gunslinger - Not that great of a villain
Cigar Store Indian - When it was flashing and making noises that was pretty spooky
Cactus - Silly Villain
Hooded Man - Creepy Villain
Skeleton Man - Just plain old disguises of the Joked and Penguin
Vulture - Good Villain
Scarecrow - Creepy Villain
Ghost(s) of Captain Moody - Great and Creepy Villains
Masked Men - Simply just men in masks
Gargoyle - Would’ve probably been better then the masked men
Ghost - Creepy
Freak Sheik - Regular Person
Pirate - Regular Person
Mummy - Meh
Lion - Meh
Dragon - Cool Villain
Wolfman - I wish we got to see more of him
Bear - Ok Villain
Indian - Regular Villain
Mr. Hyde - Great Villain
Shark Men ( Pescado Diabolical) - Great and Creepy Villains
Skeleton - Not a good villain
Three eyed Ghost - Creepy Villain
Lady Ghost - Creepy Villain
Giant - Creepy Villain
Dinosaur- Good Villain
Headless Horseman - Good Villain
Skeleton Stage Driver - Good Villain
Red Eyed Vulture - Basic Villain
Ghost of Bigfoot - Great, Creepy and Cool Villain. ( I say creative out of all of them.)
Ghost of The Red Barron - Good and Comedic Villain
Ghost of Redbeard and his crew - The same as the original Redbeard and crew.
Haunted Houseman of Hagglethorn Hall - Great Villain
Moat Monster - Good Villain
Possessed Viking and Davie Crocket Mannequins - Lame Villains
Dryad and Troll - Creepy Villains
Fearsome Phantom Fountain - Original Villain
Ghost - Basic Villain
Ghost of Paul Revere, Minuteman Ghost and Redcoat Ghost - Great and Spooky Villains
Sea Serpent - Great Villain

WildwindVampire link

2/22/2022 08:58:38 am

I forgot about including the gargoyle in my list but I would have ranked him as "great." I agree with you it would have been cool to have him as the main villain!

Shadowscooby

2/22/2022 05:03:38 am

Season 2
Three Headed Ghosts - Creepy Villains
The Haunted Stuff in the house - Creepy Villains
Ghost of Captain Scavenger and Injun Joe - Good Villains
Jadal - Good Villain
Spirit(s) of Fireball McPhain - Great and Cool Villains
Cat Creature, Frankenstein, Creepy Man, Ghost Bird, Unknown Exterminator, Ghostly Man, Invisible Couple, Sea Monster - Good Villains
Winemakers - Just men in hooded disguises
Green Globs - Good Villains
Ghostly Strongman - Good Villain
Ghost Arm - Creepy Villain
Roller Coaster Ghost - Meh Villain
Ghost Racer - Good Villain
Camera Ghost - Creepy Villain

WildwindVampire link

2/22/2022 09:00:41 am

I agree with your rankings for the most part! I like how everyone is calling them the "Winemakers" now haha.

Shadowscooby

2/22/2022 05:06:35 am

I totally agree that most villains from this series weren’t that memorable or impacting. It’s like that they were more focused on the guest stars and hoy they interacted with the gang.

WildwindVampire link

2/22/2022 08:59:40 am

I agree with you. I think it was a combination of that and sometimes having so many villains in one episode it was difficult to make a certain one memorable.

Jacob Staggs

2/22/2022 04:33:08 pm

None of the NSDMo episodes are among my favorites in the franchise but here is my top 3
3) Mystery of Haunted Island - One of the few episodes to have an oversaturation of atmosphere in the most fitting of ways.
2 ) Caped Crusader Caper - I am entertained by every minute of this. Professor Flakey is a riot and Fred is hilariously rude in this.
1) Ghastly Ghost Town -Feels like half its length and Fred is hilariously rude again.

WildwindVampire link

2/22/2022 06:14:52 pm

I have seen people complain about the length of these, but honestly I find the length of most of them to be perfect. I didn't feel any of them were overly long and all of them were pretty entertaining. So many good ones in this series.

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