Elsa Frankenteen from Scooby-Doo and the Ghoul School was named after Elsa Sullivan Winchester, the first-ever actress who played the Bride of Frankenstein.
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Gibby Norton
10/31/2023 10:08:09 am
Here is my finally completed Scooby-Doo movie ranking list! This is all 48 of ‘em. Sometime I’ll get around to finishing my other two rankings of all the specials and all the series, but in the meantime I’m pretty proud of this! And I don’t think the link will show you, but I actually wrote public reviews for all of these movies, as well. Shew doggies, I’m worn out! Anyways, I just thought you might be curious to see it! Happy Halloween!
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10/31/2023 12:56:11 pm
Happy Halloween to you too! This was such a fun read, thanks so much for sharing these! You were right that the link didn't show me the reviews, but I was able to find them through the "reviews" tab on the page you linked. I couldn't find reviews of any films before Legend of the Vampire, but I also didn't look further back than this year since it appeared it was mainly reviews of other films.
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Gibby Norton
11/3/2023 08:22:00 pm
I forgot to respond to this, I apologize! 11/4/2023 10:56:51 am
No worries! :)
Matt
11/4/2023 12:58:06 pm
I don’t say stuff like this often, but Krieg should be fired for something like that. He put his own selfish agenda that no one likes ahead of the well being of the movie. From a business perspective, he completely embarrassed Warner Bros, and angered all of the fans in the process. Thanks for some good What’s New episodes and stuff but I think we need more open minded people determining the future of Scooby Doo 11/4/2023 04:13:19 pm
I wouldn't say I'd go as far as to say he should be fired, both because I haven't seen his comments to form an educated opinion, and I know that at least a few people who have worked on the franchise check this blog. I definitely agree with you though that his motives to "undo the original Zombie Island" were selfish and counterproductive to the franchise. Both with this and the guy on Where Are You Now who put all the Scrappy bashing stuff in the script, I just find it odd in general that writer would go into a project with the intent of trying to ruin something for everyone. Like, why waste your energy making a project just to rage against something, when you could just create something that's more in line with what you want to see? Even with my least favorite Scooby shows like the Scrappy shorts or Velma, I don't have any desire for somebody to make a hate project to destroy them. I'd much rather they just move on to better content and not give those any attention.
Gibby Norton
11/4/2023 07:32:02 pm
https://youtu.be/45kC2WVGFiE?si=JcjcrWqUiBQ4HpAd
Matt
11/4/2023 07:51:55 pm
Ok, saying he should lose his job was probably over exaggerating on my part, and something I probably shouldn't say about someone for someone who technically did not do anything to anyone, but my anger and annoyance still stands, especially after watching that video, and am very concerned that someone so prominent in making Scooby Doo has such a close minded view of what the show can and could be, as well as clearly having contempt for the audience.
Becker
11/4/2023 08:05:57 pm
Just when I thought I couldn't hate Return to Zombie Island even more
Matt
11/4/2023 09:02:02 pm
Yeah this make Return to Zombie Island considerably worse than it already was 11/4/2023 10:36:52 pm
Yeah...after watching that video, I'm really upset as well. It's already awful and selfish to make a film that goes against one of the most beloved films in the franchise, but the fact that it was supposed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the franchise is even more insulting. Tim Sheridan had mentioned in an interview about Curse of the 13th Ghost that someone mandated him to exclude Scrappy and put in the ending where Velma debunks the 13 ghosts...I guess we also now know who that person Tim was referring to was.
Becker
11/5/2023 04:09:19 am
Curse of the 13th Ghost is still the worst for me, because it is the exact same scenario as Return to Zombie Island. Jim Krieg was "only" a co-producer for both of those films, he didn't write or direct either, but he clearly had A LOT of influence over the people that did, so they would make those movies exactly the way he wanted them to be (i.e.: insults to the original projects). A great example of a producer abusing their power over the creative team. Cecilia Aranovich Hamilton directed both of them, but seems like she was just a pawn for Krieg and wasn't allowed to put her own spin or vision on them. Tim Sheridan wrote C13G and we know it's very much not the movie he wanted to make as a finale to 13 Ghosts. Jeremy Adams wrote RTZI, and from Krieg's words it appears to be the exact same situation. To me personally C13G is even more aggravating, insulting and infuriating of a film than RTZI, but not by much, they're both absolutely awful.
Matt
11/5/2023 09:03:47 am
@Wildwind Yeah, the more you and the video connect the puzzle pieces together, the more I really just don’t like this guy, and don’t feel bad about saying he should be fired earlier, especially with his clear contempt towards me, a member of the audience
Becker
11/5/2023 09:15:40 am
Maybe the intent was slightly more contemptuous with RTZI (if that's even possible), but all the things they did in C13G to ruin the original show in just about every single way imaginable is more egregious. How they manage to crap on or mess up every single aspect of both the finale movie itself and the original 13 Ghosts series to such an offensive degree is beyond me. Every scene detracts from the original show & the idea of a follow-up that finishes off the story. I despise it more than anything else in this franchise.
Matt
11/5/2023 10:46:48 am
Yeah I get it 11/5/2023 11:34:07 am
Yeah, after seeing that video, I kinda agree with your opinion tbh. I don't want somebody with such a extremely close-minded perspective working on the franchise. It is absolutely ridiculous to go into a special 50th anniversary project with the mindset of disowning a series and film that are widely beloved by the majority of the fanbase, especially with such clear malice.
Becker
11/5/2023 03:17:18 pm
I genuinely forgot Velma existed for a second there lmao. And as someone who has regrettably seen all of it, C13G does actually have fierce competition in that regard. I don't even wanna choose between the 2 of them which one is worse. I guess I'd rather watch C13G than Velma, so Velma is the worst thing in this franchise by a sliver.
Gibby Norton
11/5/2023 03:41:18 pm
I believe it was A Podcast Named Scooby-Doo that interviewed RTZI writer Jeremy Adams whenever he said that he was trying to make a movie that conformed to what he wanted, what the studio wanted, and what Krieg wanted. It’s also of note that he does say he thinks he wouldnt show Zombie Island to his daughters (at time of interview) because of its intensity and wanted to make something a little less scary. I think it is easy to hate the movie, and it did have Krieg’s disdain behind it, but I will say that the movie is still this one person trying to please multiple parties at once, and even if maybe the movie would have been bad on its own, it is worth noting that there are other voices than Krieg’s in that movie, and that there is someone who did attempt to work hard on it. Even if it sucks hard. Also in this interview with Jeremy Adams, he expresses the personal belief that Scooby will someday have supernatural elements again- maybe a Zombie Island 3 that can retcon the second one? Lol! 11/5/2023 04:39:34 pm
@Becker Velma is definitely worse than Curse of the 13th Ghost for me for how awful and unlikeable the characters were made to be. Even though Curse of the 13th Ghost and Return to Zombie Island were super unfaithful to the originals and there was disdain behind making them, at least the characters (other than Velma) were likeable there. Velma is just a mess in every way possible. 11/5/2023 04:40:12 pm
(continued as it looks like my comment got cut off from being too long)
Matt
11/5/2023 07:47:02 pm
My thing is, even if I respected the close minded "This is what Scooby Doo is to me and that is what it is always going to be!" (which I absolutely do NOT), just make your own movie. You don't like Zombie Island for being too "scary" and having real monsters? Then don't make a sequel to it, make your own damn movie. That is why I don't buy any of this "It's just a difference of opinion!" I won't blame the writer as much who was paid to write what they wanted, but this movie was absolutely malicious and mean spirited to so many people. 11/5/2023 09:05:25 pm
Completely agreed, especially with the last sentence. That's why Krieg's comment about the original series is mainly "crooked real estate developers in a mask" bothers me so much. It is just ridiculous to base the creative direction of an entire franchise off of such a generic stereotype, especially when even the people writing those two films didn't seem to want to go along with Krieg's ideas. Honestly, I don't even really care if we get fake or real monsters, we just need people who aren't going to try to pigeon-hole the franchise into narrow-minded stereotypes.
Becker
11/5/2023 11:43:47 pm
Another nonsensical decision in this debacle is why hire writers who actually want to make faithful follow-ups when that's the opposite of what you want to achieve as a producer? Krieg did everything in his power to handicap the writers' aspirations in creating these movies. 11/6/2023 07:14:08 am
The Scrappy years are worse for me personally, but yeah, 2019 was a rough year imo. He's referencing Jay Bastian, who is a development exec and Vice President at WB.
Matt
11/6/2023 02:14:27 pm
I am obviously 1000% with Becker here and find even the worst Scrappy years lightyears better than that vile NIGHTMARE line up of C13G, RTZI, and Guess Who
Matt
11/6/2023 02:57:54 pm
Like, I’d genuinely say a year that gave us literally nothing would be better than 2019
Becker
11/6/2023 03:07:06 pm
Oh for sure, 1996 > 2019, easy, no debate lol. The fact that 2019 had three separate Scooby productions and they were all horrendous puts it it below any Scrappy shorts year, cuz at least those years had only one awful project, not fuckin' three. Quality goes out the window when comparing all those movies and shows, so it becomes about quantity. And when you're about negative stuff, you want the quantity to be less.
Matt
11/6/2023 07:04:43 pm
Even in terms of quality, I feel like there are a handful of shorts or even parts of shorts in the worst Scrappy seasons that could at least be somewhat redeeming, I think there's nothing redeeming about 2019's slate of garbage
Gibby Norton
11/6/2023 07:16:32 pm
Idk what kind of slander y’all are saying, but Guess Who, while bland, is far from the worst Scooby show. And out of all 48 Scooby movies, I’d rank Curse of the 13th Ghost at #15. Its ending isn’t great, because that redemption stuff comes out of nowhere. And Velma’s a bit annoying in it. But the monster, the atmosphere, the 13 Ghosts references, the updated Flim Flam, a decent majority of the humor, and the animation are all pretty great. 2019 wasn’t Scooby’s best year, but I definitely think that 2/3 of the projects from that year are solid. Especially COT13G, imo. 11/6/2023 07:41:03 pm
Honestly, I am somewhere in the middle between Matt/Becker and Gibby. Curse of the 13th Ghost is in my bottom three films, but there are at least parts of it that are decent imo, even if Velma debunking everything at the end was stupid and it wasn't true to the original. I also feel like Sheridan at least made it feel much less malicious than RTZI ended up being, where he tried to make it open-ended despite Krieg's heavy interference. If forced to choose, I would pick a Guess Who episode over a Scrappy short. While Guess Who is bland, at least there is a coherent storyline, whereas 95% of the shorts are random nonsense with no clear plot. The quality of the Scrappy shorts is so much worse than Guess Who imo, so I personally view 1980-1982 as a worse for Scooby than 2019 was.
Matt
11/6/2023 07:56:10 pm
I think Guess Who is absolutely the worst series by a large margin. And while I don’t blame Sheridan for it, C13G still got Krieg’d so… yeah
Becker
11/7/2023 04:13:20 am
@Gibby, sorry but none of the stuff you mentioned about C13G was particularly noteworthy good or done well to me. Except the idea of a teen Flim Flam on paper (if we ever do get a reimagining of 13 Ghosts or simply another Flim Flam appearance, I absolutely believe he should be a teen/young adult, not a child again), but the execution of having him be the same age as the gang is nonsense and completely out of continuity with the original 13 Ghosts; the gang are younger in the movie than in the show they made the sequel to, how the fuck.
Becker
11/7/2023 04:14:01 am
There are so many errors in the film, like how Zomba and Nekara (and Scrappy) are not in the retelling of the show and how they claim the cyclone was one of the ghosts, even though it was not, that was an amalgamation of all the ghosts captured up to that point. Multiple regular cast members like Bogel and Weerd were forgotten to have ever existed, but in particular the Scrappy erasure besides one dire and malicious "joke" was one of the worst aspects of the film. Seems like Krieg was likely the guy who made Sheridan choose only one of Scrappy and Flim Flam to be in the movie, which is idiotic when they were both main characters.
Becker
11/7/2023 04:14:48 am
Even though the ending is kinda left up to interpretation (Velma admits she made up the story of Asamad's redemption, so wtf are you trying to tell us at this point, movie?), that's still not remotely satisfying as an ending. In fact, it shits all over the OG. It 100% retcons everything from the OG because the whole point was the Chest of Demons and 13 of the most terrifying ghosts upon the face of the Earth, which the gang released and was obligated to catch — it's all about real monsters, not necessarily real magic; although all kinds of world-bending, abstruse, freakish and chimerical things detached from reality happened in the show, there was 0 groundedness in all aspects (which the film also ignores).
Matt
11/8/2023 09:24:13 am
Well I’ll consider that movie officially obliterated lmao
Becker
11/8/2023 12:22:39 pm
Lol yeah, I haven't gone on such a rant review about C13G since 2019, so I felt like I had to get it out of my system after all that time. Considering I always say it's one of the worst things in this franchise, it felt like the appropriate time to explain in detail why after a long time. Tldr: it's an abomination.
Matt
11/8/2023 02:25:00 pm
If we’re talking about the numbers here, I’d say Scrappy shorts win for less quantity. 99 shorts equals 33 episodes compares to Guess Who’s 52. Honestly that makes a much easier watch time wise for me. This is also, once again, based on the fact that I wouldn’t count Velma even if I had seen it 11/8/2023 04:34:23 pm
(I messed up and commented on the wrong thread, so copy/pasting this here again but chronologically it should be before Matt's) 11/8/2023 04:40:10 pm
I guess personally, quantity isn't really something I take into account all that much. I don't like Velma more because it has less episodes, it's just all around atrocious and I'd still think it was terrible regardless of how many episodes it had.
Becker
11/8/2023 10:31:11 pm
I'm in the middle here, since it is a close call between Guess Who and the Scrappy shorts for me. As I said earlier, there are some Scrappy shorts I'd watch over any Guess Who episode, but I'd watch a Guess Who episode over all the other Scrappy shorts. I guess it depends on what you prefer more to be able to decide in such a situation.
Matt
11/10/2023 10:37:33 am
Yeah I get where y’all are coming from
Bigscoobydoofan
11/1/2023 08:26:13 pm
Happy late Halloween!
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